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14 minutes ago, Rog said:

The point is the use of vehicles on the roads of the UK that have not been tested and issued with certification of compliance with  EU directive. The consequences might well be that every Manx registered motor vehicle would be legally required to be tested at an MOT test entry before being allowed to be then used on UK roads.

But you couldn't just do that for the Isle of Man - it would have to apply to every other non-EU state.  It would mean amending a Vienna Convention and that's extremely unlikely.

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Just now, Roger Mexico said:

But you couldn't just do that for the Isle of Man - it would have to apply to every other non-EU state.  It would mean amending a Vienna Convention and that's extremely unlikely.

Not so. All other EU nation states already impose an annual test and so can cross between EU states in cars already compliant, it's only when cars enter the EU from places that do not have an annual test that meets the EU directive that are subject to testing at the border of the EU. There is at least a prime face case that cars from the island should be subjected to the same entry protocol before proceeding onto EU roads and that by definition means roads across the UK.   As to what the Manx government do about introducing an MOT equivalent test, that's up to the Manx government, but when it comes to the use of vehicles that have not been tested o I owe then that's a whole different matter.

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3 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Rog is a troll. That is the only explanation.

 

No.  It's a serious matter with potentially far reaching consequences.

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20 minutes ago, Rog said:

Not so. All other EU nation states already impose an annual test and so can cross between EU states in cars already compliant, it's only when cars enter the EU from places that do not have an annual test that meets the EU directive that are subject to testing at the border of the EU. There is at least a prime face case that cars from the island should be subjected to the same entry protocol before proceeding onto EU roads and that by definition means roads across the UK.   As to what the Manx government do about introducing an MOT equivalent test, that's up to the Manx government, but when it comes to the use of vehicles that have not been tested o I owe then that's a whole different matter.

Not sure where that leaves residents of the Isles of Scilly whose private cars are MOT exempt Rog?

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16 hours ago, Rog said:

Of course I haven't! 

But I'm well aware of what is done. Many MOT test centres have rooms from which the MOT can be observed from begining to end.   Kwik Fit are typical in this regard but are far from unique.

You only think you're aware,that doesn't mean you know the standards that are expected,which is legal minimum requirements,minimum being the operative word.

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1 hour ago, Manximus Aururaneus said:

Not sure where that leaves residents of the Isles of Scilly whose private cars are MOT exempt Rog?

AFAIK if a car was to be brought to the mainland it would need to be taken on an appropriate trailer to an MOT test station and once a test was successful insurance obtained. With insurance in place then it would be kosher subject to having VED in place. It is not permitted to visit the Scilly Isles with a car.

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2 hours ago, Rog said:

Not so. All other EU nation states already impose an annual test and so can cross between EU states in cars already compliant, it's only when cars enter the EU from places that do not have an annual test that meets the EU directive that are subject to testing at the border of the EU. There is at least a prime face case that cars from the island should be subjected to the same entry protocol before proceeding onto EU roads and that by definition means roads across the UK.   As to what the Manx government do about introducing an MOT equivalent test, that's up to the Manx government, but when it comes to the use of vehicles that have not been tested o I owe then that's a whole different matter.

1. The start date, 3, 4, or 5 years, and the frequency, annual or biennial are set by the member state. They aren’t all annual.

2. For entry from a non member state it’s nothing to do with the EU, but is covered by the Vienna Conventions, which are moving toward requiring technical inspections. 

3. The IoM relationship under Vienna is different to that of the U.K. as we are only signed up to bits and at that to an earlier version.

4. An Isles of Scilly car, ( or any small island car - there’s a long list ) temporarily in the U.K. can be driven on GB ( not U.K. ) roads direct to a prebooked MoT at an approved test centre. They already have insurance. There was an FoI request 2 years ago. There are 900 cars which are licensed, ( their word, not registered- so tax implied ) according to DVLA. There is a small islands tax rate, certainly for small goods vehicles, but no general exemption.

4. You can take your car to the Scillies. IoSSSCo has a booking page. It’s crane on crane off. Just like IoM before Manx Maid.

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19 minutes ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

Sssh, no-one tell Rog the IoM isn't in the EU - he might want to come here.!

23 minutes ago, John Wright said:

1. The start date, 3, 4, or 5 years, and the frequency, annual or biennial are set by the member state. They aren’t all annual.

2. For entry from a non member state it’s nothing to do with the EU, but is covered by the Vienna Conventions, which are moving toward requiring technical inspections. 

3. The IoM relationship under Vienna is different to that of the U.K. as we are only signed up to bits and at that to an earlier version.

4. An Isles of Scilly car, ( or any small island car - there’s a long list ) temporarily in the U.K. can be driven on GB ( not U.K. ) roads direct to a prebooked MoT at an approved test centre. They already have insurance. There was an FoI request 2 years ago. There are 900 cars which are licensed, ( their word, not registered- so tax implied ) according to DVLA. There is a small islands tax rate, certainly for small goods vehicles.

4. You can take your car to the Scillies. IoSSSCo has a booking page. It’s crane on crane off. Just like IoM before Manx Maid.

So the bottom line remains that a vehicle entering the UK must have an MOT before being allowed on UK roads.

It's looking more and more interesting and it's why I asked about the closest MOT test station is to where the boat docks with a pre booked test arranged which must be passed before going any further other on the next boat back.

I do hope someone in the government is aware of this because now the DVSC have got their teeth into it it's not going to be allowed to go away.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, John Wright said:

1. The start date, 3, 4, or 5 years, and the frequency, annual or biennial are set by the member state. They aren’t all annual.

2. For entry from a non member state it’s nothing to do with the EU, but is covered by the Vienna Conventions, which are moving toward requiring technical inspections. 

3. The IoM relationship under Vienna is different to that of the U.K. as we are only signed up to bits and at that to an earlier version.

4. An Isles of Scilly car, ( or any small island car - there’s a long list ) temporarily in the U.K. can be driven on GB ( not U.K. ) roads direct to a prebooked MoT at an approved test centre. They already have insurance. There was an FoI request 2 years ago. There are 900 cars which are licensed, ( their word, not registered- so tax implied ) according to DVLA. There is a small islands tax rate, certainly for small goods vehicles, but no general exemption.

4. You can take your car to the Scillies. IoSSSCo has a booking page. It’s crane on crane off. Just like IoM before Manx Maid.

Yes, this is allowed for in the EU directive which Rog referred to earlier. Islands with low populations can be treated as seen fit by the governing country.

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10 minutes ago, Rog said:

I do hope someone in the government is aware of this because now the DVSC have got their teeth into it it's not going to be allowed to go away.

Breathtaking that you believe you can personally move the UK government to do something.

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14 minutes ago, Rog said:

 

No. You confuse U.K. registered cars, exempt if they are driven on small islands, being brought to GB  with cars from non EU jurisdictions moving between other jurisdictions or into the EU under Vienna.

So there are countries, other than the IoM, in Europe, or elsewhere in the world, that don’t have regular technical inspections and from which vehicles are legitimately temporarily imported into the EU under Vienna.

The “certificate” issue is meaningless. In lots of Europe you don’t get one. There’s nothing to look at apart from an online entry in a register.

Its not the compliance with a technical inspection that counts. It’s the car being roadworthy when driven.

Note, I purposely use GB rather than U.K., because like many things NI is different. Separate agency and rules.

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2 hours ago, Rog said:

No.  It's a serious matter with potentially far reaching consequences.

I disagree. How many IOM cars have been involved in RTCs in the UK, and been found to be defective? Any idea? 

The UK themselves are considering lowering the frequency of MOT to every two years. That is because there are very few death traps on the road these days due to better build quality, the number lease and contract vehicles where services and mot is taken care of. Old vehicles in the UK are generally exempt from MOTs. 

The IOM has very few death traps these days. I feel safer on the roads here than in the UK

 

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2 minutes ago, woolley said:

Breathtaking that you believe you can personally move the UK government to do something.

LOL!  It's not the UK government that have their cock in their hands over this matter!  Also it could end up with a whole lot of. Manx vehicle having to get an MOT immediately after getting of the boat unless they can be MOT'd on the island before boarding.

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