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1 hour ago, Donald Trumps said:

Howard Quayle & The Wood At Poo Corner

CM has chosen Meary Veg as the location for his personal tree planting scheme, & has the nerve now to call it a 'people's project'

Presumably this is to avoid actually having to pay for it himself & lumping it on the taxpayer as per usual

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/site-chosen-for-the-peoples-wood/

Well he's putting us all in the shit, so Meary Veg seems appropriate enough.

Of course all this tree-planting is probably going to end up the purest greenwash.  The important thing is not how many are planted, but how many survive.    Otherwise it's just expensive photo opportunities.

How many of those planted at the Millennium Oakwood are still thriving and showing the sort of growth you should expect from a tree that age?  It certainly looks a bit scanty.  But then planting all the same species in neat closely spaced rows is hardly a recipe to develop a healthy woodland.  And the trees already planted near Meary Veg along the Old Castletown Road seem stuck at the sampling stage forever.

As it happens, Moorhouse asked one of his artless questions about tree-planting in the Keys last week:

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How many trees have been (a) planted and (b) felled by the Department since January 2015?

The Minister for Environment, Food and Agriculture (Mr Boot): Available records show that since January 2015 the Department, as part of its commercial, plant health and safety management operations across the public estate felled approximately 62,000 trees, the majority of which formed part of the proactive planning to restructure and diversify the forest and woodland estate to increase resilience, biodiversity and sustainability. During this same period my Department has planted across the same estate approximately 125,000 trees of various species.

In addition the Hon. Member may be interested to know that in the New Year (2020) my Department is currently preparing to plant in the region of 40,000 trees as part of our ongoing forest management plan, alongside the continuing work to deliver the Chief Minister’s five year tree planting strategy.

So basically they're only planting twice as many trees as they fell and that doesn't allow for a survival rate of under 100% (and even with the best and most expert care it will).  It also doesn't make clear the effect of the felling caused by various diseases and whether that is included and more is predicted.  And you also get the impression that the  "Chief Minister’s five year tree planting strategy" may just be trees they were going to plant anyway - they're just now calling them something else.  It's like The Year of Our Island all over again.

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Here am I refusing plastic bags and cutting back on groceries packaged in plastic containers. Then this happens.

 

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Religion was created as a means of controlling the masses. With Christianity, in particular, the word was spread world wide. When enough people believed, any non-believers were persecuted. Often killed for daring to go against the propaganda. Sound familiar? 

Christianity is generally failing in the Western Hemisphere. The powers that be needed something to replace it. Other religions in other parts of the world are still controlling people easily, with little lack of faith. Even in the USA, Religion is still doing a good job of controlling the masses. 

Climate change has gone from a few paid scientists ideas back in the '70s and '80s to a worldwide trillion dollar (+) industry. People who don't believe the hype are accused of being non believers. 

Climate change is the new religion.

 

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You leave me out of this..... :lol:

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19 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Religion was created as a means of controlling the masses. With Christianity, in particular, the word was spread world wide. When enough people believed, any non-believers were persecuted. Often killed for daring to go against the propaganda. Sound familiar? 

Christianity is generally failing in the Western Hemisphere. The powers that be needed something to replace it. Other religions in other parts of the world are still controlling people easily, with little lack of faith. Even in the USA, Religion is still doing a good job of controlling the masses. 

Climate change has gone from a few paid scientists ideas back in the '70s and '80s to a worldwide trillion dollar (+) industry. People who don't believe the hype are accused of being non believers. 

Climate change is the new religion.

 

Mankind's polution of OUR living space, the environment, is unquestionably causing horrendous damage.  The natural correction of historical cyclical climate changes is now so damaged by our polution of ALL of the biosphere is such that our home is facing an unprecedented future. To continue to deny the blatantly obvious is beyond belief.

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1 hour ago, Langweilig said:

Here am I refusing plastic bags and cutting back on groceries packaged in plastic containers. Then this happens.

 

All this means is that polution is still taking place but is no excuse for the rest of us taking it very seriously. Every chat that is intercepted before entering the environment is a win. Every bit of air pollution is a win. The "whataboutery" argument is inexcusable as an excuse to do nothing.

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1 minute ago, the stinking enigma said:

Could you give a couple of examples of how its blatantly obvious please rog.

Just check out the association of global temperature rise with industrial activity since the commencement of the industrial revolution for starters. The polar ice melting, thee glacial melting, the acidification of the sea, and the most obvious example of human polution being the destruction of the polar ozone layer due to uncontrolled release of an exotic contaminant chloroflurocarbon gasses that had been used extensively in industry and domestic applications. Since the creation of that polutants alone the ozone layer hole is healing.

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1 hour ago, Rog said:

Just check out the association of global temperature rise with industrial activity since the commencement of the industrial revolution for starters. The polar ice melting, thee glacial melting, the acidification of the sea, and the most obvious example of human polution being the destruction of the polar ozone layer due to uncontrolled release of an exotic contaminant chloroflurocarbon gasses that had been used extensively in industry and domestic applications. Since the creation of that polutants alone the ozone layer hole is healing.

Rog

I think you are conflating pollution (a bad thing) with global warming (a very bad thing). The connection between the two is tenuous and according to some unproven. We can and should concentrate on reducing pollution.

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14 minutes ago, NoTail said:

Rog

I think you are conflating pollution (a bad thing) with global warming (a very bad thing). The connection between the two is tenuous and according to some unproven. We can and should concentrate on reducing pollution.

I fall into the camp that believe that polution of our environment is a key factor in global climate change. 

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1 hour ago, NoTail said:

Rog

I think you are conflating pollution (a bad thing) with global warming (a very bad thing). The connection between the two is tenuous and according to some unproven. We can and should concentrate on reducing pollution.

The pollution one is simple enough.

And global warming is surely as simple.

Suddenly mankind is burning loads of stuff that has been sitting rather inert and content for a long time. Coal and wood and oil and that,  and other stuff. Loads of it. All that energy is being released and converted into heat. It has to make some sort of a difference to an enclosed space like the  planet. I can't see how that can be denied.

 

 

 

 

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Chrimbo must add a fair bit to climate change. One would have thought that considerate souls like ourselves may think about toning the whole thing down a bit. Instead Christmas trees seem to go up earlier, adorned with more and more lights. How are christmas lights even legal in these woken times? 

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47 minutes ago, gettafa said:

The pollution one is simple enough.

And global warming is surely as simple.

Suddenly mankind is burning loads of stuff that has been sitting rather inert and content for a long time. Coal and wood and oil and that,  and other stuff. Loads of it. All that energy is being released and converted into heat. It has to make some sort of a difference to an enclosed space like the  planet. I can't see how that can be denied.

 

 

 

 

 

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