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Every consultant we get see us coming, the minute the Government are involved the cost just doubles. The Island is classed as the land of milk and honey and the powers that be want to implant that impression so the rest of the world think we are big players. This is of course is only in their own minds and really we are like little fish in a very large sea.

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8 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

Every consultant we get see us coming, the minute the Government are involved the cost just doubles. The Island is classed as the land of milk and honey and the powers that be want to implant that impression so the rest of the world think we are big players. This is of course is only in their own minds and really we are like little fish in a very large sea.

Are you suggesting that we are like Hyacinth Bucket?

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26 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

Bloomin' 'eck! He (Sir JM) clearly saw us coming, didn't he?

I don't think he saw us coming, I think he sent for us...

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19 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

The Island is classed as the land of milk and honey and the powers that be want to implant that impression so the rest of the world think we are big players.

It's been like this for the last 35 years. And we had the money to throw around to maintain that impression. And we did, generously.

And if you do that, they will come. Which they did in their droves. Like flies to poo. Eager to please us and impart their knowledge. Just like an all-Island sewerage system for instance.

So much so that we came to rely on them and stop thinking for ourselves.

Although the salaries paid to our own experts wouldn't have given that impression.

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25 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

Are you suggesting that we are like Hyacinth Bucket?

No, we the people are not that gullible, Hyacinth Bucket is an excellent example of the mindset our esteemed leaders have, and will be taken in by anyone who is capable of pumping up their ego's and telling them how important they are, works everytime.

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17 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

Sounds promising

At least this one's actually moving to the island apparently

fingers crossed, she's left to do the job without unnecessary interference

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1 hour ago, quilp said:

Can the boy Ashford be blamed for what lead up to the managerial fiasco we're seeing now though? To be fair, the lad inherited a situation created by years of maladministration and misdirection by conflicted 'personalities' and dunder-headed group-think.

Well, if we’re cutting the little lad some slack, the whole Michaels drama was conceived initially by Cannan (it was all about DHSC failure to stay within budget) and the implementation lies in Cabinet Office, seemingly with Quayle as figurehead and delivery led by the Chief Secretary, so Ashford is outside the innermost loops it seems. (But don’t forget that, like the rest of Tynwald, he voted for Michaels to happen).

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38 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

fingers crossed, she's left to do the job without unnecessary interference

Indeed. And that vested interests don’t conspire to deflect her from her vital work. 

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

It's been like this for the last 35 years. And we had the money to throw around to maintain that impression. And we did, generously.

And if you do that, they will come. Which they did in their droves. Like flies to poo. Eager to please us and impart their knowledge. Just like an all-Island sewerage system for instance.

So much so that we came to rely on them and stop thinking for ourselves.

Although the salaries paid to our own experts wouldn't have given that impression.

Yes, it largely went to ratsh1t when the ministerial system of government was adopted back in the '80's.

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1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

Yes, it largely went to ratsh1t when the ministerial system of government was adopted back in the '80's.

Which in itself was supposed to end the days of the fudge and forget, unaccountable Boards. We replaced it with fudge and deny, fill yer boots, unaccountable ministerial system, governed by the civil service.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Which in itself was supposed to end the days of the fudge and forget, unaccountable Boards. We replaced it with fudge and deny, fill yer boots, unaccountable ministerial system, governed by the civil service.

Actually, weren't the Boards accountable to UKG up to a point? I thought Treasury was.

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8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Actually, weren't the Boards accountable to UKG up to a point? I thought Treasury was.

Until 1990 the Governor presided over Tynwald (and LegCo) so wielded more power than is the case these days and I guess therefore was in a position to steer things in a direction that suited HMG. Of course when the Governor was replaced in that capacity Tynwald went needlessly overboard and created the wholly unnecessary and overblown role of ‘President’ of Tynwald especially for Charlie Kerruish. His daughter, Clare Christian, subsequently exercised that office with a great deal more skill and judgement than either her father before her or the bumptious bag of wind Rodent who, regrettably, occupies the post now.

I don’t think the Treasury has ever been accountable to HMG but of course the AG and the Deemsters have always been, and still are, Crown appointments.

Of course, the conspiracy theorists (who may be on to something!) still see HMG exercising control over IOMG via the Chief Secretary who - in a Jekyll and Hyde existence - is principal advisor to both COMIN/CM and the Governor...thus running with the hare and the hounds (bizarrely).

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5 hours ago, quilp said:

Can the boy Ashford be blamed for what lead up to the managerial fiasco we're seeing now though? To be fair, the lad inherited a situation created by years of maladministration and misdirection by conflicted 'personalities' and dunder-headed group-think.

He can't be blamed for that, but he can be blamed for not doing anything about it since he was appointed.  But then he was appointed on the grounds that he was basically another nodding dog who would do exactly what he was told.  Of course the Michael report has provided a couple of years excuse for them with regard to actually changing anything.

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