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I have no idea about cost implications but I honestly believe the old system of a couple of policemen in police houses in each of the villages over say 5000 is ideal from the point of view of the public and from the point of view of pro-active policing. Of course it is a different situation in the larger places such as Onchan/ Douglas, Ramsey and possibly Peel.

Once again, just my views based on a long life and having cops in the family.

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41 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Sounds like someone was sending you a "boat in the morning" message

I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, but I think it is fair to say there were a couple that rather had it in for me, and derailed my career. It’s a shame I went when I did, because most of the bullies were gone and away from a position of influence. That said, you really could never call what was going to happen next promotion wise into the command team.

Anyway, it is what it was. Nothing you can do to change it. 

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5 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, but I think it is fair to say there were a couple that rather had it in for me, and derailed my career. It’s a shame I went when I did, because most of the bullies were gone and away from a position of influence. That said, you really could never call what was going to happen next promotion wise into the command team.

Anyway, it is what it was. Nothing you can do to change it. 

Experienced the same Derek. 

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Yes, but what it was and what it is, is not only unfit for purpose, but the system has had a hand in ruining a number of it's employees lives imo. As far as I can see most of the grafters are swept aside and not really acknowledged by neither the politicians nor the public.

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2 hours ago, manxst said:

 

Also, I’ve been told of at least 8 senior Police managers whom have walked straight back into civilian management roles within the Police in the last 3 years or so. Money saving? High management wages on top of high pensions. Not all of these would have been the only candidates for the jobs, I’m sure. According to the press, the Chief Constable has successfully pitched for extra millions from the Treasury- was this really in the interest of the public of the Isle of Man and the taxpayers, or was it simply to pay for the ‘jobs for the boys’ in post retirement cushy numbers? It’d be interesting to see whether these positions are paid directly from Police budget payroll, or hidden/lost as ‘consultancy’ fee costs.

I don’t think it’s that many. There was the Data Protection role, where they trained someone up before retirement so sort of shot themselvs in the foot there. A highly experienced SOCO has come back, but that makes absolute sense as he was a proper ninja at it. 

Two trainers have been retained as civvies on part time contracts. A chief inspector was retained for about 18 months contract on the crime aspect of the new computer system. And there was a bizarre appointment by GTS of someone with limited project delivery evidence being brought into that on a huge day rate. Not sure if they are still part of that but it’s all in place and operating so you’d hope not.

the chap who was working as the HR lead has left - was a retired inspector and did a good job. The dog sgt was retained for a couple of years as a trainer but they send everyone to Lancs now. 

Some come back into financial crime, but can’t see an issue with that as you have to find the specialists from somewhere. 

 

So in real terms, very few go back in as ‘management roles’. It’s not always cut and dried. I actually applied for the road safety manager job and didn’t get it so there you go!

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45 minutes ago, P.K. said:

The thing is x number of coppers equate to y number of man-hours. Changing the shift pattern will not change the available man-hours. So there must be a deployment advantage.

Then there's the shift allowance. As a computer nerd for the cops we worked 13-hour shifts 8-9 24/7 365 we never close etc etc. That required 5 shifts and the shift allowance was some monster calculation that meant a big number. Plus when your shifts ran into the weekend or a bank holiday it was double time for the whole shift. Though the police may be different.

I would be interested in how this is going to work and why...?

I believe they had a ‘consultant’ in (from within Government)

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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

I don’t think it’s that many. There was the Data Protection role, where they trained someone up before retirement so sort of shot themselvs in the foot there. A highly experienced SOCO has come back, but that makes absolute sense as he was a proper ninja at it. 

Two trainers have been retained as civvies on part time contracts. A chief inspector was retained for about 18 months contract on the crime aspect of the new computer system. And there was a bizarre appointment by GTS of someone with limited project delivery evidence being brought into that on a huge day rate. Not sure if they are still part of that but it’s all in place and operating so you’d hope not.

the chap who was working as the HR lead has left - was a retired inspector and did a good job. The dog sgt was retained for a couple of years as a trainer but they send everyone to Lancs now. 

Some come back into financial crime, but can’t see an issue with that as you have to find the specialists from somewhere. 

 

So in real terms, very few go back in as ‘management roles’. It’s not always cut and dried. I actually applied for the road safety manager job and didn’t get it so there you go!

You have named 8 roles plus an unknown quantity of financial crime positions. The 8 names which I got told, include 4 of your 8, but the other 4 you haven’t mentioned. So there’s 12. Which sounds ridiculous. I haven’t seen 12 positions advertised anywhere? Were the individuals promised the roles prior to retirement and didn’t actually have to apply or undergo competitive interviews? I appreciate some may have specialist knowledge as per your financial crime examples, but surely not 12 plus?! Given these figures, it would seem that the only reason you didn’t succeed with the road safety job is either because as you already admit “your face didn’t fit”, or else it had already been given to another ex-officer.

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2 hours ago, P.K. said:

The thing is x number of coppers equate to y number of man-hours. Changing the shift pattern will not change the available man-hours. So there must be a deployment advantage.

Then there's the shift allowance. As a computer nerd for the cops we worked 13-hour shifts 8-9 24/7 365 we never close etc etc. That required 5 shifts and the shift allowance was some monster calculation that meant a big number. Plus when your shifts ran into the weekend or a bank holiday it was double time for the whole shift. Though the police may be different.

I would be interested in how this is going to work and why...?

It’s supposedly going ‘to work’ because overtime will be cut to nothing, as there will be more officers in at any one time so they won’t be keeping anyone ‘on’ after their normal duty time - whoever has thought of it has obviously ticked the important box of ‘saving money’ over the ‘protect employees health and welfare’ box. When working constant 12 hour days and nights, what sort of service are officers going to provide to the public when they are tired and worn out? I wouldn’t want anyone coming to an emergency I’m involved in when they’re coming towards the end of their shift, as they undoubtedly won’t be functioning to their best level. 

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I have no idea about cost implications but I honestly believe the old system of a couple of policemen in police houses in each of the villages over say 5000 is ideal from the point of view of the public and from the point of view of pro-active policing. Of course it is a different situation in the larger places such as Onchan/ Douglas, Ramsey and possibly Peel.

Once again, just my views based on a long life and having cops in the family.

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6 minutes ago, doc.fixit said:

I have no idea about cost implications but I honestly believe the old system of a couple of policemen in police houses in each of the villages over say 5000 is ideal from the point of view of the public and from the point of view of pro-active policing. Of course it is a different situation in the larger places such as Onchan/ Douglas, Ramsey and possibly Peel.

Once again, just my views based on a long life and having cops in the family.

Think they sold all the police houses off a long time ago. And all the specialist Police stations, come to that. All that’s left at the moment is Peel, and that apparently isn’t manned at all in the hours of darkness... Can’t see it lasting long in that position before it also gets sold. 

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1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

You need to put the brakes on that criticism otherwise it will be all downhill.  We'll see you furiously backpedalling in a couple of posts.

are you smoking something illegal?

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1 minute ago, manxst said:

Think they sold all the police houses off a long time ago. And all the specialist Police stations, come to that. All that’s left at the moment is Peel, and that apparently isn’t manned at all in the hours of darkness... Can’t see it lasting long in that position before it also gets sold. 

Willaston station has now been demolished... :(

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2 minutes ago, manxst said:

All that’s left at the moment is Peel, and that apparently isn’t manned at all in the hours of darkness... 

Pretty sure that's true of Ramsey too although I did see a Police Transit cruising the streets one evening over the weekend. I was told that of a weekend there's only ever 2 Policemen at a time on duty to cover the whole of the north of the Island?

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