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On 1/9/2020 at 9:26 AM, Derek Flint said:

Not as such

 

The 2am 2pm and 2 nights pattern gave 4 days off. It was a great system and was one reason CID became hard to recruit in to. There are 4 days off still, but recovery from 2 twelve hour nights will batter a lot of people.

Noting the comments on top heaviness, this is a tricky one. The inspecting rank carry a lot of statutory responsibility. Above that it ebbs and flows according to the Chief's decree. The 12 month appointment of a DCC just before their retirement was particularly controversial and nobody could see the necessity. It took that individual from around £70k pa to over 100k (probably 120k) with the according lift.in pension provision.

Currently 3 supers and 4 chief inspectors which is top heavy. And i have even argued against top loading even when it might have benefited me for a promotion.

A chief, equivalent  in the rank of Chief Supt with a 20% uplift pay wise is about the right level. Then a supt as a nominal Deputy, forming part of a senior cadre with another three chief inspectors would be more than adequate.

12 inspectors to carry the main burden and the statutory stuff that is day to day, such as custody. Also each has a portfolio eg Det Insp, Ops support, neighbourhoods (Douglas, out of town) Eight sgts for custody and eight for control room so there is enough for sickness and leave. They can also backfill street supervision where needed. District sgt in South, West, North. 5x Detective sgts. 1x RPU inspector 5 shift sergeants for Douglas and all island response and then the constables divided up between CID and Uniform, the latter having community teams in the districts.

There are some other specialist bits but that is broadly the way I'd have had it. You can see though that it soon adds.up with rank. 

The telling thing will be recruitment and retention. I've.been told by two independent sources there are a good number actively looking to leave. 

The UK picture is little different on that front. Where the military seems to be getting in tune with generation Y I dont think the police have yet.

Only time will tell. Hopefully the new plan will work but if it doesnt then the agility to accept that and try something else needs to be there. Hasnt always been the case.

Dereck, What are the general rolls of a Chief Super, assitant Chief Constable, Deputy Chief Constable ( i assume it is "i before e, exept after c" ) ?

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Chief Superintendent down to CI  

https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Development/Promotion/Documents/The role of a police leader.pdf

This is also very good

https://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/police-rank-and-roles-explained/

https://profdev.college.police.uk/professional-profile/chief-constable/

https://profdev.college.police.uk/professional-profile/deputy-chief-constable/

As I've said before, If I were designing it, there would be a Chief, a Dep who was nominally a Superintendent, and 4 Chief Inspectors, with possibly a superintendent out on a wing in the Financial Crime Unit. 

That way, the Chief is firewalled and can look outwards politically, rather than have to run the force - because when you have three at superintending rank, who is de-facto the next top bobbin? 

My personal opinion is that the current setup creates a very difficult dynamic.

I think I read that the Chief intends to appoint a dep before he goes http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51556&headline=Deputy chief constable in 2021&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019 

This sort of gets a bit complicated, unless the DCC is then guaranteed the CC post when Gary retires. But I'm not sure that the Police Act as written allows for that. . There are lots of permutations: 

- Local DCC appointed from one of the three Supers

or

- Off Island candidate appointed (bearing in mind none of the local candidates have had access to the Strategic Command Course which is a precursor to taking on Chief Officer rank in the UK). Local candidates appeal because they were disadvantaged, etc. 

- then, DCC and CC work for a year. 

- CC post advertised. (it has to be under the Police Act) http://www.legislation.gov.im/cms/images/LEGISLATION/PRINCIPAL/1993/1993-0011/PoliceAct1993_1.pdf

- Sitting DCC doesn't get the job. Cue all sorts of shenanigans. 

So, it all seems a bit complex and convoluted, and may give rise to a whole raft of challenges from both internal and external candidates. On top of that, if you read the Police Act, the sitting Chief shouldn't really be part of the process for selection of a new Chief, and  under s. 3(2),  the appointment to DCC can only be made with the approval of the DHA. So, if the sitting chief had picked his DCC, and then that person becomes Chief automatically, without further process, has the process under section 2(1) been undermined. 

And if the post of CC was advertised, and the person who had been DCC got it, does that then open up the potential for external candidates to appeal on fairness grounds. 

I'm sure Its a lot more simple and I'm just over-analysing things. 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

As I've said before, If I were designing it, there would be a Chief, a Dep who was nominally a Superintendent, and 4 Chief Inspectors, with possibly a superintendent out on a wing in the Financial Crime Unit. 

That way, the Chief is firewalled and can look outwards politically, rather than have to run the force - because when you have three at superintending rank, who is de-facto the next top bobbin? 

My personal opinion is that the current setup creates a very difficult dynamic.

As we have discussed before the Police Service, like many other public services, is stupidly over-graded for the level of responsibility / budget / manpower that they are expected to "manage" on our behalf.

This is endemic on the island and I should imagine the hierarchy you have outlined above is just as likely to meet the requirement as the current outrageously overpaid nonsense.

So why is nobody doing anything about it?

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2 hours ago, P.K. said:

As we have discussed before the Police Service, like many other public services, is stupidly over-graded for the level of responsibility / budget / manpower that they are expected to "manage" on our behalf.

This is endemic on the island and I should imagine the hierarchy you have outlined above is just as likely to meet the requirement as the current outrageously overpaid nonsense.

So why is nobody doing anything about it?

It’s actually a bit of a dichotomy. The responsibility is the same - on any duty inspector run of shifts I’d run potentially career-defining jobs such as high risk missing persons, and take decisions on detention, welfare of children under emergency protection etc, as well as road death investigation and armed policing. And in my portfolio there were responsibilities on policy that has to be right, and kept up to date. Further up the ladder, it’s more difficult to ascertain where the pinch is, but I do think Superintendent pay is too high for the context here. 

The tempo isn’t the same as our UK counterparts, which is a good thing and a bad thing. But I do think we might work better with a commissioning model for emergency services. Don’t expect any change soon though. I am just doing some research on the glacial pace Police training has operated at in respect of change in the UK. She was wrong in approach, but there was a lot of sense in the reform Teresa May instigated. It shook the service to its core, and I hope that once numbers are restored it won’t forget the lessons learned.

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4 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

Spoke to a local bobby I know the other day. It appears that the new shift for section police would be 4 days on 5 off. Although the 4 days on is long I could see the attraction of having 5 days off thereafter

That is a good trade off, other than the risks of 12 hour night shifts 

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30 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

Spoke to a local bobby I know the other day. It appears that the new shift for section police would be 4 days on 5 off. Although the 4 days on is long I could see the attraction of having 5 days off thereafter

Mate I spoke to who’s doing it has said it’s 2 days + 2 nights on, 3 off, repeat again, then 2 days + 3 nights on, 4 off. No one is getting 5 days off unless it’s leave or an extra day off is put on due to overtime etc. 

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12 minutes ago, manxst said:

Mate I spoke to who’s doing it has said it’s 2 days + 2 nights on, 3 off, repeat again, then 2 days + 3 nights on, 4 off. No one is getting 5 days off unless it’s leave or an extra day off is put on due to overtime etc. 

Iirc it would sort-of be 5 days off switching from days to nights.

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1 hour ago, manxst said:

Lol...yeah, hadn’t thought of that! Guess that’s basically a day off, like you say!  

A day off isn’t a day off if you finish at 0800 after a 12 hour night. You feel like someone has set about you with a shovel.

i was really lucky with my service. I spent about five of my first eight years on full shifts, in the days we used to finish at 10pm and be back on at 6am, even when carrying guns! Then I worked on to licensing and worked until 0300 every other fri and sat. 

On the island, I did my first 18 months on Douglas shifts, then moved to training. I had a few stints back on shifts as a sergeant, whilst doing other gigs, and then from 2005 I was off them as an inspector. Duty shifts gradually got better esp after I took over the duty boards (for everyone I might add!). Weekend nights could be long, and there were callouts for other things too like crashes and Firearms stuff. But overall, I was very, very lucky. The effects of rotating shifts and nights on the human body aren’t great.

 

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