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28 minutes ago, Rog said:

Comparing the island and its relationship with the mainland and the mainland with the EU is not a valid comparison for a variety of reasons not least that the UK has never taxed the island for it being allowed to have a relationship with it.  Actually the precise opposite of such things as the NHS are concerned.

I do agree that there are probably not going to be any benefits from BREXIT for the island and almost certainly the precise opposite but BREXIT was not about the island and was never intended to be.

As for the going forward plan for younger folk on the island in my opinion the best move will be to leave.

That shows your ignorance of Manx history.

The only taxation between 1765 and 1866 were British customs duties which  Went direct. Into the  British, later U.K. treasury.  
 

And even after income tax was introduced in WW1 Tynwald had little power to spend any of it.

First charge was interest on the two Atholl purchases. 
 

IoMG even funded war borrowings by taking over responsibility for a portion of U.K. debt, eg War Loan.

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10 minutes ago, John Wright said:

That shows your ignorance of Manx history.

The only taxation between 1765 and 1866 were British customs duties which  Went direct. Into the  British, later U.K. treasury.  
 

And even after income tax was introduced in WW1 Tynwald had little power to spend any of it.

First charge was interest on the two Atholl purchases. 
 

IoMG even funded war borrowings by taking over responsibility for a portion of U.K. debt, eg War Loan.

I freely admit my knowledge of Manx history is very limited. 

Come to that ----- !

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not quite John - money was raised on things like dog licences, public house licences etc which was somewhat earmarked for road upkeep etc - control of the customs duties was the key reason for the Act of Revestment the UK got this at a bargain price (but they did threaten to surround the Island with warships + to block every port), the money was to come from various customs duties raised - the 2nd was the sale of the Manorial rights for which it is likely the UK paid over the odds but then of course placed the cost elsewhere.

It is likely that the Island made a profit in WW1 in running the Internment camps.

Lord Raglan resisted income tax but WW1 forced it on the Island as inflation had reduced real wages and some foodstuffs (Bread) needed to be subsidised.

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1 hour ago, Frances said:

not quite John - money was raised on things like dog licences, public house licences etc which was somewhat earmarked for road upkeep etc - control of the customs duties was the key reason for the Act of Revestment the UK got this at a bargain price (but they did threaten to surround the Island with warships + to block every port), the money was to come from various customs duties raised - the 2nd was the sale of the Manorial rights for which it is likely the UK paid over the odds but then of course placed the cost elsewhere.

It is likely that the Island made a profit in WW1 in running the Internment camps.

Lord Raglan resisted income tax but WW1 forced it on the Island as inflation had reduced real wages and some foodstuffs (Bread) needed to be subsidised.

The amount raised for parochial surveyors and road repairs wasn’t really tax, was very little, and was more akin to rates than national taxation.

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11 hours ago, Rog said:

Who gives a stuff about Eire and without the ludicrous political relationship and CTA the desperate Irish the option of coming to OUR country should not have been just get a boat and scrounge off us. It's a foreign country FFS.

How the fuck have you survived this long?

 

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9 hours ago, Neil Down said:

How the fuck have you survived this long?

 

Because I am very far from alone in this view for one thing, especially so in England.

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12 hours ago, Neil Down said:
On 2/14/2020 at 11:21 AM, Rog said:

Who gives a stuff about Eire and without the ludicrous political relationship and CTA the desperate Irish the option of coming to OUR country should not have been just get a boat and scrounge off us. It's a foreign country FFS.

How the fuck have you survived this long?

Xenophobia's all well and good until the inhabitants of Norfolk rise up and start burning these funny foreigners from Essex in wickermen. (Though with it being Essex, they won't bother to insist on virgins).

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On 2/14/2020 at 8:35 AM, Rog said:

I've got a car called Bentley and my dog is a border collie called Bea. 

I've got a dog called Bentley and a car called Ford.

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With Howard Quayle and Comin philosophy on the EU Parliament stance to brexit, is similar to the

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal "such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you".

The question should be why only three members of keys have put real questions to the Chief Minister on related subjects to brexit.

 

 

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They'll have no say and no influence over what goes on. We just have to accept whatever the fallout is over Brexit and make the best of it. I doubt if the IoM appears on many UK radars given what's gone on over the last 3+ years with the infighting and politics in Westminster.

But the IoM's taxation policies may now be firmly in the EU crosshairs now that UK has no influence in Brussels.

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6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

They'll have no say and no influence over what goes on. We just have to accept whatever the fallout is over Brexit and make the best of it. I doubt if the IoM appears on many UK radars given what's gone on over the last 3+ years with the infighting and politics in Westminster.

But the IoM's taxation policies may now be firmly in the EU crosshairs now that UK has no influence in Brussels.

There should probably be more concern about the Manx taxation policies and practices will now be in the cross hairs of HMG.  The extent of independence will turn out to be very much less than people have become used to think was the case.

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Surely the most contentious issue is that Howard Quayle can no longer justify shopping trips to London on X's?

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

But the IoM's taxation policies may now be firmly in the EU crosshairs now that UK has no influence in Brussels.

I suspect not a top priority though.  They are more likely to go after the UK itself and those BOTs that are the worst (and most prominent) offenders, such as the Caymans and the BVI, and then expect the middle-ranking offenders to fall into line.  It may not just be the EU that is moving on this sort of action, the IMF was very critical of Malta in its latest report on money-laundering.  The Maltese Government, in a move our own Cabinet Office would be proud of, had announced this as being given "another positive certificate", though some Maltese media tend to research stuff more than ours do, so it didn't work.

Moves against smaller jurisdictions often have an element of "Beat the dog before the lion"[1], so going after the Caymans may be a warning to the UK not to get too creative in its financial endeavours

[1]  As useful phrase, appearing in both Chaucer and Shakespeare, but now lost.  It means to punish a minor offender to frighten a major one into submission.  In the case of financial regulation it may also serve as a rehearsal to get the legal details and procedures right.

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