thommo2010 2,124 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Sad day https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/former-police-officer-has-died-from-coronavirus/ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuffolkNGoode 32 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Sad day https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/former-police-officer-has-died-from-coronavirus/ Aawww! Respectful sympathies to the family and friends. Stay safe everyone, let's contain this - whatever we may think about the Govt - stick to the advice PLEASE. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P.K. 5,173 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Certainly, I'll repeat; Regardless of one's politics, the facts are that the 'austerity' years in Care started in April 2009 under the Brown / Darling administration (Alan Johnson was Health) - and ended in 2019 under the May administration. I am not pushing the politics - I am stating the facts, and my source is the letters since 2008 sat three feet away from me. For 'austerity' read "World Financial Crisis 2007-2008" is probably more like it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donald Trumps 5,537 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, woolley said: Oh right. Well, come on, be fair. That is actually not another disaster, it's trying to deal with the "main" disaster as you now seem to acknowledge. This is exactly what my post is about. If you look at the links you will see that everyone around the world is in very much the same situation regarding PPE. What would you or others suggest was done differently? I'd hazard a guess that a future enquiry looking into all this might surmise that in the UK 'the day was not seized' when it came to getting the NHS organised with the correct material, whereas in Germany it was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yootalkin2me 917 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: I'd hazard a guess that a future enquiry looking into all this might surmise that in the UK 'the day was not seized' when it came to getting the NHS organised with the correct material, whereas in Germany it was And S Korea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,250 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Do you really think that any Govt, anywhere, will actually take the blame for their shortcomings??? Who will be the first to say...'' We got it wrong and it cost us lives ''! It will be the usual '' Looking forwards................. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lurker 528 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Sad day https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/former-police-officer-has-died-from-coronavirus/ A gentleman; in the fullest sense of the word. He will be missed. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donald Trumps 5,537 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Certainly, I'll repeat; Regardless of one's politics, the facts are that the 'austerity' years in Care started in April 2009 under the Brown / Darling administration (Alan Johnson was Health) - and ended in 2019 under the May administration. I am not pushing the politics - I am stating the facts, and my source is the letters since 2008 sat three feet away from me. Austerity started with George Osborne & his 2010 spending review Alan Johnson lambasted him for the cuts he deemed reckless Osborne was very careful not to openly target the NHS but clearly health spending wasn't expanded Edited April 11, 2020 by Donald Trumps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woolley 19,199 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: I'd hazard a guess that a future enquiry looking into all this might surmise that in the UK 'the day was not seized' when it came to getting the NHS organised with the correct material, whereas in Germany it was 6 minutes ago, yootalkin2me said: And S Korea OK, chaps. As I mentioned, Germany has manufacturing capability within its borders and has slapped on an export ban. I believe S Korea has too. Good for them, but that would obviously give them a better supply of PPE. UK seems to be in line with other European countries for shortages. I think the problem is that by the time the day to seize dawned, the shortages were ongoing and all countries except those with home manufacturing were scrambling. Being dependent on China and some other Asian suppliers lays you open to the quality problems I linked. The other variable is that we are only in the first stage, so we don't know how other countries will cope with subsequent waves of infection or how their figures will look ultimately. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,448 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Lurker said: A gentleman; in the fullest sense of the word. He will be missed. Yes, a really nice guy. He did not know me at all, but I knew who he was and saw him dozens of times. Always wearing a smile. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woolley 19,199 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kopek said: Do you really think that any Govt, anywhere, will actually take the blame for their shortcomings??? Who will be the first to say...'' We got it wrong and it cost us lives ''! It will be the usual '' Looking forwards................. Well the question I am asking, and trying to get answers on, is exactly what was got wrong and what could have been done differently, when and by whom. It's easy to carp, but specifics? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Max Power 6,767 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 45 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Sad day https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/former-police-officer-has-died-from-coronavirus/ Yes, very sad indeed. The family of the first chap to die have said that he hadn't left the house for weeks before becoming ill. It emphasises how easily transmitted this virus really is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the stinking enigma 11,970 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They were trying to get away with it in the hope that it would turn out like sars1. By the time it dawned that it wasn't like sars1, everybody else had bought the masks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 8,016 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Every death is sad but especially this one, dealt with Rich on a number of occasions and found him to be one of the better policemen 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yootalkin2me 917 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Well, Europe should be ok after this: https://www.fmglobal.com/research-and-resources/tools-and-resources/resilienceindex/explore-the-data/?&vd=1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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