Coronavirus Isle of Man

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The 1936 Act doesn't really do much on its own. If however a declaration is made that an Emergency exists, the 1936 Act allows the Governor to make a formal declaration. Once this is done, Government can then start making new temporary laws in a much quicker way than normal.

Gozzer has now made 2 declarations (each one only lasts 30 days) so we're now up to 15(ish) of May. 

If he fails to extend a declaration then any laws made under the 1936 Act all lapse. While the declaration is still in force, the laws can be switched on and off or modified "on the hoof". If you follow Tynwald agendas, you'l see this happening all the time.

[Mr Newbie 855]

3 minutes ago, Lagman said:

IDK, repurpose some maybe

I agree with you in principle our only chance is to stay externally locked down for as long as possible and internally locked down for as short as possible. Theoretically no new arrivals at the port or airport means only transmission should be random community transmissions. So risks are low after a few weeks of lockdown if no new arrivals. 

[pongo 4,585]

Just listening to the Health Minister's press conference.

Very impressed with him again.

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1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said:

So why are those two industries being given priority over others, since when have they become key industries? 

I don't buy the bullshit about them having a plan. Who's going to ensure they adhere to the distancing required?

They haven't Andy, is the simple answer. They're probably the least risky option. Restrict them to outdoor working and it'll make it easier for distancing. Remember there are plenty of workplaces still open now. Who's monitoring them? The answer is themselves! We're all aware of the risks, and on the whole (barring a small number of bellends) we're all capable of following some simple rules............aren't we?

[Lagman 665]

3 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

I agree with you in principle our only chance is to stay externally locked down for as long as possible and internally locked down for as short as possible. Theoretically no new arrivals at the port or airport means only transmission should be random community transmissions. So risks are low after a few weeks of lockdown if no new arrivals. 

I think  we could actually end up having an advantage over places which are mostly reliant on tourism -

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11418502/canary-islands-coronavirus-tourist-resorts-social-distance/

And what they'd have to do to even keep going at the moment.

[Holte End 656]

If the Government are allowing construction workers to go back to work.

I can't wait to see the new risk assessments and  new method statements that will need to be filled out.

No work should be able to be carried out either privately or for Government without these, while this virus is present in our society.

So work that has been carried out in the last three weeks, there should be a paper trail that Government will need to see if

anybody has been infected, this would show if construction should be allowed in the community.

I have no faith in DfE and never have had, so this will need to be done by another Department.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr Newbie 855]

2 minutes ago, Holte End said:

If the Government are allowing construction workers to go back to work.

I can't wait to see the new risk assessments and  new method statements that will need to be filled out.

The reality is that this has little to do with the virus; Treasury and the DfE can’t afford to pay people to stay at home. We don’t have any money. They know they can’t afford to compensate people and that they are going to get lynched if they tell people in one breath to stay at home for 3 months or 6 months but in the other expect people to lose their jobs and businesses on a vast scale as they won’t compensate them. The fact is Dandara and the Trades Council have already lent on them as many people have no cash. Do you want angry people taking to the street protesting against government and creating all sorts of problems as they can’t eat and can’t pay their bills or do you do stuff like this? Pretty soon you realize that you have to do stuff like this as you don’t want 5,000 angry people taking their fate into their own hands as government can’t help them pay their bills. 

[SuffolkNGoode 30]

1 hour ago, Lagman said:

Speaking of, ours appears to be about double that of Guernsey, maybe weve just been luckier with care home infections so far?

Probably not unexpected, but still tragic for the families and friends. Condolences to all concerned.
I hope matters at all Care Homes are being treated with proper due care and attention.

Stay safe all.

[TheTeapot 10,486]

The for profit 'care' industry is disgusting. Pay 90% of their staff minimum wage while charging the families of people with dementia £1000 to keep them alive, yet the directors cream it in. Sickening.

[On The Bus 555]

So 110 active cases on island now. 37 of which are confirmed in the cluster at Abbotswood based on the current figures. Leaving only 73 on the rest of the island. 

It does look like, finally, some headway is being made on reducing the number of cases. 

Another week and those figures should reduce further - so it looks like the start of return to work is being timed well by Government. 

 

[PaulJ 357]

Here's a thought,get someone like Dandara for example to bung the treasury vast amounts of cash in return for the option to return to work,and to assist with any future planning applications. 

:-)

[Non-Believer 12,903]

33 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

The reality is that this has little to do with the virus; Treasury and the DfE can’t afford to pay people to stay at home. We don’t have any money. They know they can’t afford to compensate people and that they are going to get lynched if they tell people in one breath to stay at home for 3 months or 6 months but in the other expect people to lose their jobs and businesses on a vast scale as they won’t compensate them. The fact is Dandara and the Trades Council have already lent on them as many people have no cash. Do you want angry people taking to the street protesting against government and creating all sorts of problems as they can’t eat and can’t pay their bills or do you do stuff like this? Pretty soon you realize that you have to do stuff like this as you don’t want 5,000 angry people taking their fate into their own hands as government can’t help them pay their bills. 

All true. But we restart the construction sector in a housing market that's currently, at least, locked down, people can't view, sell or buy and how long for?

If nothing else, proof positive (IMHO) that the construction sector is currently the main economic driver behind e-gaming in our economy. And probably the one with the most influence. Trying to build our way out of Shit Creek.

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[On The Bus 555]

7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

The for profit 'care' industry is disgusting. Pay 90% of their staff minimum wage while charging the families of people with dementia £1000 to keep them alive, yet the directors cream it in. Sickening.

Quite right. Should so-called 'care homes' even be run on a for profit basis? 

Something we should seriously reconsider and we reshape our nation post-Coronavirus. 

[Holte End 656]

31 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said:

The reality is that this has little to do with the virus; Treasury and the DfE can’t afford to pay people to stay at home. We don’t have any money. They know they can’t afford to compensate people and that they are going to get lynched if they tell people in one breath to stay at home for 3 months or 6 months but in the other expect people to lose their jobs and businesses on a vast scale as they won’t compensate them. The fact is Dandara and the Trades Council have already lent on them as many people have no cash. Do you want angry people taking to the street protesting against government and creating all sorts of problems as they can’t eat and can’t pay their bills or do you do stuff like this? Pretty soon you realize that you have to do stuff like this as you don’t want 5,000 angry people taking their fate into their own hands as government can’t help them pay their bills. 

Construction can only go back to work in a safe environment that is the only reality.

Dandara, The Federation and the Chamber of Commerces only speak for a small minority of the Construction Industry,

but seem to have the largest say due to stupid MHK's and Civil servant's, with little or no knowledge of the Industry.

 

 

 

[Mr Newbie 855]

Just now, Non-Believer said:

All true. But we restart the construction sector in a housing market that's currently, at least, locked down, people can't view, sell or buy and how long for?

It’s keeping people paid and there will be demand at some stage. The fact is if these people can’t earn there will be a riot at some stage not too far off. Some states in America have a real problem as they’re trying to enforce lockdown on people who have guns. It isn’t going to end well which is why Trump is already publishing plans to open up. 

2 minutes ago, On The Bus said:

So 110 active cases on island now. 37 of which are confirmed in the cluster at Abbotswood based on the current figures. Leaving only 73 on the rest of the island.

The woman at Abbotswood is disgusting. I hope they press charges. Charging £1,000 a week and then blaming government as she won’t buy masks and gloves for her minimum wage staff. She is a disgrace.