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18 minutes ago, Mr Shoe said:

True. If you're an armchair statistician or on a forum.

False. If you have a statistics (or similar) degree, masters or phd.

What do you think they study for all those years? They learn how to piece together a solid result from a crappy mishmash of seemingly conflicting datasets. 

Collect all the data you can. Because if you don't and something turns out to be crucial, we don't have a time machine to go back and re-gather the data.

I genuinely don't know what to make of your comment, because you don't seem to have read anything I have written but have decided to have a go at me anyway.  Statisticians can indeed make use of imperfect datasets with all sorts of clever techniques (though great care is needed because of hidden assumptions). 

But that's not what is being proposed with mass testing - it's the opposite, a 100% sample.  For the effort involved you don't get much more information and it's not much use - maybe even counterproductive - for the purpose of disease control.

There is a lot of such sampling going on such as the ONS survey I mentioned - which piggybacks onto their existing household survey.  And anyone reading my other recent posts would have seen my horror at the hiding and destruction of data that seems to be happening on the Island.  Not to mention the confusion and errors in the data that is published.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

I'm just hypothesising that there may be reasons other than just typical IOM government pig headedness for us to take a route that on the face of it seems a less attractive option. Especially foregoing local use of our much heralded BioMed sector and a qualified resource that is of the same standard as anything we would have to send away to utilise. Being as she was trained by the UK government anyway.

Indeed. It's all very perplexing and frustrating that IOMG themselves seem to be creating and believing their own hyperbowl(!).

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7 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

But that's not what is being proposed with mass testing - it's the opposite, a 100% sample.  For the effort involved you don't get much more information and it's not much use - maybe even counterproductive - for the purpose of disease control.

 

 

This was sort of my argument against the much heralded at the time but quickly shelved antibody testing. I couldn't really see what practical use it would have been. Interesting maybe, but ultimately useless.

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19 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Indeed. It's all very perplexing and frustrating that IOMG themselves seem to be creating and believing their own hyperbowl(!).

It’s a shame Dr Glover’s resources aren’t being utilised, I’m surprised she hasn’t been approached to do samples for UK or Ireland given the turnaround time she’s quoted, that would also be the ultimate fuck you.

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2 hours ago, Lxxx said:

I think you would be surprised then. Not saying what you say above isn't true as well, but all crown dependancies are plugged into Public Health England and they will want to do the genomic testing and centralise the data, with no outliers. They can then stick to a uniform narrative.

I think you've developed a mild case of Barrie Stevens Syndrome, where the hidden hand of Whitehall is seen as controlling everything that happens on the Island.  While most of the time they don't care or are unaware of our existence.

In actual fact any data we provided wouldn't be much use at all if pooled into a larger UK database.  Both in terms of numbers (tiny by comparison) or in what the data would say.  Because of our geographic separation it would make as little sense as including Irish or French data. 

The value of anything we produced would be as a separate, high-quality, small size dataset where conclusions could be drawn about things such as infection rates and periods.

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Rachel Glover just been on BBC northwest and basically saying lockdown would have been avoided if testing had been carried out.

critical of decision to stop 7 days testing as we were seeing positive cases from this testing and should have carried on for monitoring at least.

Howie & Ashie won’t be happy!!

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3 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Any job that by its very nature means travelling and by its very nature means going to different houses and by its very nature means etc.

It's people looking for the loopholes and anomalies and exploiting them that has in no small part got  us into this shit.

Oh by the way, I remind you that I have a relative in ITU, tubed up to the eyeballs. There are lots of reasons for a lockdown.

I daresay most of us could find a 'silly' aspect to it if so inclined.

I don't think people are looking for loopholes.  People are looking for everyone to be treated fairly and equally.

Up and Running are advertising being open and selling trainers but loads of other people are being denied the opportunity to work safely.

Close everything non essential or let people make their own risk assessments.   Dont just arbitrarily close down certain businesses and allow others to operate.

I can't legally work today, but I can go and buy some new trainers in a shop then drive to South Barule for a run and some lunch.

 

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7 minutes ago, Banker said:

Rachel Glover just been on BBC northwest and basically saying lockdown would have been avoided if testing had been carried out.

critical of decision to stop 7 days testing as we were seeing positive cases from this testing and should have carried on for monitoring at least.

Howie & Ashie won’t be happy!!

Probably wont be happy but I'm really not happy by there short sighted stupid move to eliminate anyone who can assist in the fight . They and the people advising them need a good slap , morons 

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18 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

It’s a shame Dr Glover’s resources aren’t be utilised, I’m surprised she hasn’t been approached to do samples for UK or Ireland given the turnaround time she’s quoted, that would also be the ultimate fuck you.

Her company seems pretty busy with their usual animal genetics.  And any stuff from across will have to be couriered or posted which will add to turnaround times.  But the journey from Nobles to Onchan is rather less time-consuming.

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3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Rachel Glover just been on BBC northwest and basically saying lockdown would have been avoided if testing had been carried out.

critical of decision to stop 7 days testing as we were seeing positive cases from this testing and should have carried on for monitoring at least.

Howie & Ashie won’t be happy!!

Good, hopefully that will force a reply from an official spokesperson somewhere and maybe a follow up interview from a few of our local radio stations.

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11 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I think you've developed a mild case of Barrie Stevens Syndrome, where the hidden hand of Whitehall is seen as controlling everything that happens on the Island.  While most of the time they don't care or are unaware of our existence.

In actual fact any data we provided wouldn't be much use at all if pooled into a larger UK database.  Both in terms of numbers (tiny by comparison) or in what the data would say.  Because of our geographic separation it would make as little sense as including Irish or French data. 

The value of anything we produced would be as a separate, high-quality, small size dataset where conclusions could be drawn about things such as infection rates and periods.

Haha, not at all.

As I outlined in a later post, I am just wondering if there could be a reason other than sheer stupidity and arrogance to dispense with qualified and available resource on island in favour of a whole number of potentially negative variables using a lengthier and more convoluted process we now have in place.

Or maybe I am under-estimating our uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 

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4 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

Up and Running are advertising being open and selling trainers but loads of other people are being denied the opportunity to work safely.

Website says they are TEMPORARILY CLOSED DUE TO LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS.  It also says they do deliveries though and many shops seem to have moved to this (and kept the service going when the shop reopened for service).

A lot of ads that appear may have been booked before lockdown was imposed.  Manx Radio website seems particularly poor at not removing inappropriate ones.

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25 minutes ago, Banker said:

Rachel Glover just been on BBC northwest and basically saying lockdown would have been avoided if testing had been carried out.

critical of decision to stop 7 days testing as we were seeing positive cases from this testing and should have carried on for monitoring at least.

Howie & Ashie won’t be happy!!

No doubt there will be some bitchy comments about individuals rabble-rousing / causing panic at tomorrow's briefing.

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