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40 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

 

Nothing worse than a limp waist. :)

I’d settle for one compared to the monster I actually have.

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4 hours ago, pongo said:

It's worth noting that the small minority of people whining loudly against the government, here and on social media (especially the mess that is Twitter) are not representative of the population as a whole. Most of those underemployed angry voices would be picking holes in policy whether or not the administration here was trying to best cope with a global pandemic. Nobody signed up for this.

Actually the point is they did sign up for it.  When you join government, either as a politician or as a civil servant, you don't get to specify that you only want to do the easy bits.  Coping with crises is part of the job specification.  As it would be in any other job, public or private.

And, guess what, so is criticism. Especially in a democracy - indeed it's the essence of a democracy.  Picking holes in policy is what people are supposed to do.  How else are improvements in policy supposed to come about?

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But you have to be picking against someone who wants to learn from their mistakes and improve themselves.  That takes courage, a lack of ego and the ability and willingness to look deep within oneself to acknowledge it and improve oneself.

It ain't happening. Not with him.

 

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@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

And it's not especially democratic in the sense that it is not representative. It's just the loudest mob voices. As usual.

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These are the same people in many cases who have argued against there being a lockdown at all. The same people who thought it better to just let the virus run through the community.

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10 minutes ago, pongo said:

@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

And it's not especially democratic in the sense that it is not representative. It's just the loudest mob voices. As usual.

Do you think IOMG are being harder on the SSS & Mera this time as a form of social engineering? 

Like... "you should be able to survive without income through at least a month... "

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24 minutes ago, pongo said:

@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

I think you'll find most so called anti-government rhetoric is focused on government-stupidity and government-selfishness.

In recent times - under Brown, Bell and now Quayle - all too many government spending decisions have hardly been effective, efficient nor economic. Can you name ONE major IOM Govt project that has ever been delivered on time and to budget?

And remember the "Scope of Government" reports of 2006 and then 2012? The whole of government and all of its systems needs a top to bottom overhaul. Nothing has been done, in fact instead it continually spirals out of control offering little or no value for money.

And in this pandemic, how many non-essential government staff have been furloughed during this latest lockdown? Like the first - NONE. There are hundreds that could be - just for starters we don't need steam trains and museum staff. Yet government expect many in the private sector to survive on £280 pw or nothing and then to pay any extra taxes to make up any government spending shortfalls - including a large chunk to cover bloated government and CS/PS pensions government awarded themselves.

Pissing away £1million on a diesel train is one thing. But the main difference with covid is that stupid government decisions (such as not bringing in second week testing when it was obvious to many it was needed) costs lives and livelihoods. And you think people are just going to take that quietly?

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35 minutes ago, pongo said:

@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

And it's not especially democratic in the sense that it is not representative. It's just the loudest mob voices. As usual.

What’s your basis for this? 
 

I’d make an assumption that you’re conflating anyone who is disagreeing, either way into one group whereby they must simply be anti-government.  
 

I’d argue that’s quite a bold assumption and that actually, Covid has been a catalyst to a lot more introspection into our island and government, as well as into governments elsewhere. Look at Hancock’s fiasco yesterday with free school meals. Piers Morgan becoming a voice of reason is a frightening prospect, and current reality. 
 

Ordinary people are questioning approaches, and more importantly, which lessons are being learnt from different approaches. 
 

If you dig back, I’m sure you’ll find that actually, attitudes changed based on risk factors. Usually the winds changing to be followed by CoMin later each time. As it got worse in our nearest neighbour, a lot of people were calling for whole house isolation, and more testing. Funnily enough, you can no longer isolate with non travellers. 

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5 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

I think you'll find most so called anti-government rhetoric is focused on government-stupidity and government-selfishness.

In recent times - under Brown, Bell and now Quayle - all too many government spending decisions have hardly been effective, efficient nor economic. Can you name ONE major IOM Govt project that has ever been delivered on time and to budget?

And remember the "Scope of Government" reports of 2006 and then 2012? The whole of government and all of its systems needs a top to bottom overhaul. Nothing has been done, in fact instead it continually spirals out of control offering little or no value for money.

And in this pandemic, how many non-essential government staff have been furloughed during this latest lockdown? Like the first - NONE. There are hundreds that could be - just for starters we don't need steam trains and museum staff. Yet government expect many in the private sector to survive on £280 pw or nothing and then to pay any extra taxes to make up any government spending shortfalls - including a large chunk to cover bloated government and CS/PS pensions government awarded themselves.

Pissing away £1million on a diesel train is one thing. But the main difference with covid is that stupid government decisions (such as not bringing in second week testing when it was obvious to many it was needed) costs lives and livelihoods. And you think people are just going to take that quietly?

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If there is one good thing to come out of this whole shambles, it is that perhaps more people are looking at Government and the way it works, as their decisions now affect everyone. I am anti wasting money, and anti people in charge who quite clearly are not suited to be so, and are never held accountable for their actions. Government need to realise that now, thanks to technology, they are open to scrutiny like never before, and without doubt, cannot now resort to the usual tactics of sweeping under the carpet, inaction, commercial confidentiality and bullshit, as it is readily analysed by lots more taxpayers who do have skin in the game ! Until Government divest itself of egos, an aversion to the light of day being shone on them, and a CS that is under political control then we will continue to be sceptics with good reason. 

 

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