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A large amount of groundswell building up against the government’s poor financial support for individuals & businesses so expect questions at the next press conference and in Tynwald next week 

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1 hour ago, pongo said:

@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

And it's not especially democratic in the sense that it is not representative. It's just the loudest mob voices. As usual.

Pongo, you are at it again, the majority of folk are not anti-government,they are opposed to some of the stupid decisions made by the CM and his cohorts ie voting against more testing/getting rid of DR Glover/ reading out private letters at briefings etc that to me is constructive criticism not anti-goverment rhetoric.

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38 minutes ago, Banker said:

A large amount of groundswell building up against the government’s poor financial support for individuals & businesses so expect questions at the next press conference and in Tynwald next week 

At the start of this lockdown a short 3 week period was envisaged. The MERA for all its faults was already on the shelf and probably (I'm guessing here) could be reactivated quickly as a way to get £600 to the guys and gals that needed it, in the shortest possible time.

Now that it seems more likely that the lockdown may need extending (based on the 14 days clear test) a rethink is probably already underway for wider support. Its a shit time for a lockdown (not that there's a good time) right on the back of Christmas when many non-office workers have just had a pretty lean month in any case. I have faith that Alf will have something up his sleeve.

The whole covid thing has been a balancing act between health and economics right from the start. As many have already said on here, if you get the economics wrong then health can suffer too. Government must see that.

There endeth a rare semi-serious post.

Obvs if we got rid of the English and declared ourselves to be part of Guernsey, we'd be fine.:D

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52 minutes ago, asitis said:

If there is one good thing to come out of this whole shambles, it is that perhaps more people are looking at Government and the way it works, as their decisions now affect everyone. I am anti wasting money, and anti people in charge who quite clearly are not suited to be so, and are never held accountable for their actions. Government need to realise that now, thanks to technology, they are open to scrutiny like never before, and without doubt, cannot now resort to the usual tactics of sweeping under the carpet, inaction, commercial confidentiality and bullshit, as it is readily analysed by lots more taxpayers who do have skin in the game ! Until Government divest itself of egos, an aversion to the light of day being shone on them, and a CS that is under political control then we will continue to be sceptics with good reason. 

 

Unfortunately the very nature of the civil service is to to the bidding of Government. I know several ducks and drakes in different departments who get strung out by the whim of the political member in charge. A favourite is to have to drop everything  and prioritise something because it has "gone political". This usually means that the member in question is desperate to impress with an initiative that will end up being half baked or a constituent has been on the phone complaining.

The latter seems wonderful in principle as it appears that everyone has a politician and thereafter a Government department at their beck and call. Unfortunately it leads to government by facebook or phone 

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21 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

voting against more testing

No. They didn't. Read Hansard from 18 November. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t201118 RHG.pdf

This is what the vote was on

"further urgent consideration should be given for all arrivals to be tested for COVID-19 with additional testing to take place at intervals after arrival within the 14-day isolation period"

The motion was passed too. If Shimmins (who proposed this) wanted testing done then the motion should have reflected this. It didn't, it just asked that they think about it.

 

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5 minutes ago, piebaps said:

No. They didn't. Read Hansard from 18 November. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t201118 RHG.pdf

This is what the vote was on

"further urgent consideration should be given for all arrivals to be tested for COVID-19 with additional testing to take place at intervals after arrival within the 14-day isolation period"

The motion was passed too. If Shimmins (who proposed this) wanted testing done then the motion should have reflected this. It didn't, it just asked that they think about it.

 

That’s splitting hairs , it was obviously the will of Tynwald for more testing to be done with Comin against & Howie & Ashie ignored it. 

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2 minutes ago, piebaps said:

No. They didn't. Read Hansard from 18 November. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t201118 RHG.pdf

This is what the vote was on

"further urgent consideration should be given for all arrivals to be tested for COVID-19 with additional testing to take place at intervals after arrival within the 14-day isolation period"

The motion was passed too. If Shimmins (who proposed this) wanted testing done then the motion should have reflected this. It didn't, it just asked that they think about it.

 

They clearly did not give it further urgent consideration towards testing, as it did not happen, they may as well have voted against it.

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6 minutes ago, Banker said:

That’s splitting hairs , it was obviously the will of Tynwald for more testing to be done with Comin against & Howie & Ashie ignored it. 

You may be right but that decision was one for CoMIN. You may from time to time  see in  contracts an agreement to consult with certain parties before an action is taken. It is used to give the party consulted with some comfort that their views will carry some weight when in actual fact it is just a lip service clause.

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57 minutes ago, asitis said:

Maybe the VAT payment isn't, to coin Mr Teare " Not actually public/ taxpayers money "

In the same way that the BBC licence fee refund is not really IOM licence-holders money. 

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2 hours ago, pongo said:

@Roger Mexico - the vast majority of anti-government noise is from people who inherently are anti-government whatever the policy and whatever the issue. If it wasn't about Covid, it would be about something else.

And it's not especially democratic in the sense that it is not representative. It's just the loudest mob voices. As usual.

Who wrote that for you Howard, because you wouldn’t be able to manage that alone?

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26 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

Unfortunately the very nature of the civil service is to to the bidding of Government. I know several ducks and drakes in different departments who get strung out by the whim of the political member in charge. A favourite is to have to drop everything  and prioritise something because it has "gone political".

Are you sure that you have all this the right way round.....? 🤔

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1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Can you name ONE major IOM Govt project that has ever been delivered on time and to budget?

Their pay reviews and awards are invariably delivered efficiently, on time and with the minimum of debate?

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53 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Are you sure that you have all this the right way round.....?

Quite.  The majority of the parish council haven't got a clue how to form or implement policy and that even starts with the ability to think of it in the first place.

I'll refer back to my comment of a few days ago; a been-nowhere, seen-nothing, done-nothing (aside from their vast experience gleaned from a lifetime on a Rock in the middle of the Irish Sea) civil service (Ha!) dictate policy to a a been-nowhere, seen-nothing, done-nothing bunch a parish councilors.

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49 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Their pay reviews and awards are invariably delivered efficiently, on time and with the minimum of debate?


Much like the Tynwald pay review

Universal benefit for Tynwald members (admittedly not MLCs), when state benefits are targeted by Treasury to inviduals & their circumstances

The only way to raise average incomes on the island is with a return to universal benefits, perhaps some form of UBI

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