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4 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

What's is she offering to do to help?

Dr Glover tweeted ...

'Just watched the briefing. No genome results yet after 2 weeks. If

get in touch I will sequence all the positive cases to date since NYE for free and link/cluster the transmission chains of those cases FOR FREE within 48 hours. All they have to do is ask.
 
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1 minute ago, Banker said:

Henny said she’s happy with 14 days and Howie said they would consider restrictions on Monday in light of weekend cases

I could see them announcing what they intend to do in the future if there are no new cases that are not people already in self isolation but I would expect and hope that they are not introduced for a week or so. Another few days to be certain is better than risking returning to the current lockdown   

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Just now, dreamon said:

Dr Glover tweeted ...

'Just watched the briefing. No genome results yet after 2 weeks. If

get in touch I will sequence all the positive cases to date since NYE for free and link/cluster the transmission chains of those cases FOR FREE within 48 hours. All they have to do is ask.
 

Time for HQ & associates to accept the advice we clearly need.

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5 minutes ago, dreamon said:

Dr Glover tweeted ...

'Just watched the briefing. No genome results yet after 2 weeks. If

get in touch I will sequence all the positive cases to date since NYE for free and link/cluster the transmission chains of those cases FOR FREE within 48 hours. All they have to do is ask.
 

Genuine offer or self publicity.?

Taken at face value it is a great offer although the issue seems to have been elevated so that it appears rapid genome sequences is of vital importance when that does not appear to be the case. 

A cynic might question whether after this length of time and stuff being sent across the stuff is still available to be tested. If not then it is a bit of a hollow offer. I have no idea.

I would like to see a bit of a compromise. In future, if we can, the stuff is split in two and genome sequenced both in the UK and IoM. The IoM has the rapid results and they still go into the UK set. Presumably Mrs Glover offer of doing for free would stand as we appears to have only a relatively small number of cases. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, dreamon said:

Time for HQ & associates to accept the advice we clearly need.

But we have no cases now so why? Just a genuine question. What Gov did seems to have worked ok so far doesnt it, or have i got something wrong?

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34 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

What's is she offering to do to help?

“Sequencing the virus from each case would allow the cases to be connected, even if there is no obvious link on contact tracing. It would also be able to tell us whether we have any of the more transmissable variants in those cases as a bonus. Doing it on-Island is much quicker.”

 

“There are still “unknown” cases cropping up so it would absolutely make a difference. The identified links between patients could lead to more risk locations being identified or changes in policy if required.” 

copied from Twitter 

 

sorry - just noticed manxst’s post - what he/she said :)

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31 minutes ago, Banker said:

Henny said she’s happy with 14 days and Howie said they would consider restrictions on Monday in light of weekend cases

Fair enough then. Sounds rather pragmatic against the overall belts and braces approach 

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12 minutes ago, Lost Login said:

Genuine offer or self publicity.?

Taken at face value it is a great offer although the issue seems to have been elevated so that it appears rapid genome sequences is of vital importance when that does not appear to be the case. 

A cynic might question whether after this length of time and stuff being sent across the stuff is still available to be tested. If not then it is a bit of a hollow offer. I have no idea.

I would like to see a bit of a compromise. In future, if we can, the stuff is split in two and genome sequenced both in the UK and IoM. The IoM has the rapid results and they still go into the UK set. Presumably Mrs Glover offer of doing for free would stand as we appears to have only a relatively small number of cases. 

 

 

Please stop disrespecting her by calling her Mrs.  She is not married.  Her title is Dr Glover.

Self publicity?  Let me explain.  There are still people out there, good people, people who care about the Isle of Man, and it's residents and are prepared to put themselves out there to help with no thoughts of reward. Altruistic people do still exist you know? Just because we are used to the cut-throat, scheming politics demonstrated by government it is easy to believe that everyone else is out to get something for nothing.  This is not the case here.

Dr Glover is trying to save us from further incompetent action that could result in further lockdown, further restrictions, and an escalation of infection and death.

You suggesting it's self publicity says more about you than it could ever say about her.

 

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19 minutes ago, Lost Login said:

Genuine offer or self publicity.?

Taken at face value it is a great offer although the issue seems to have been elevated so that it appears rapid genome sequences is of vital importance when that does not appear to be the case. 

A cynic might question whether after this length of time and stuff being sent across the stuff is still available to be tested. If not then it is a bit of a hollow offer. I have no idea.

I would like to see a bit of a compromise. In future, if we can, the stuff is split in two and genome sequenced both in the UK and IoM. The IoM has the rapid results and they still go into the UK set. Presumably Mrs Glover offer of doing for free would stand as we appears to have only a relatively small number of cases. 

 

 

The problem is that there are two imperatives here, and they’ve slightly different reasonings behind them. They’re both valid, but slightly more difficult to reconcile.

There’s the scientific curiosity and research imperative. Worthy. May provide answers short, medium and long term.

Then there’s  the public health imperative to eliminate, eradicate, limit or control.

Given our population size, and the fact we’ve had fewer than 70  cases since June, when lock down 1 ended, and that most of those came in, exclusively, at least until Christmas,  as returning patients, residents or key workers, and didn’t onwardly transmit, and that even since Xmas most transmission has been in the home/family ( the UK figure is 70% ), I wonder what use a very small sample size of genomics tests will be.

Im still of the view that testing at arrival, mid isolation, and end of isolation will eliminate locally. We knew there was a slight risk in not testing. It looks like the lock down will bring this under control quickly. Obviously we won’t go back to no testing. But genome testing won’t allow us to go any quicker. PCR testing may allow us to reduce the quarantine period to 1, 5 and 9 day testing with isolation ending on day 10, if no one tests positive for the first time on day 13.

 

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18 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

But we have no cases now so why? Just a genuine question. What Gov did seems to have worked ok so far doesnt it, or have i got something wrong?

If Dr Glover had remained on board, there's an extremely high chance that we wouldn't now be in lockdown.

Does that help?

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17 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

But we have no cases now so why? Just a genuine question. What Gov did seems to have worked ok so far doesnt it, or have i got something wrong?

The government website stating we currently have (up to yesterday PM) 40 active cases, 210 awaiting tests, and 2 in hospital somewhat suggests that yes, we DO have cases...? The government have gone against what appears to be the best medical advice in Dr Glover (when she was employed by them and asking for more/further testing). Taking that advice would have assisted greatly in preventing these current 40 cases and this present lockdown. 

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17 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

If Dr Glover had remained on board, there's an extremely high chance that we wouldn't now be in lockdown.

Does that help?

The breakdown in relationships between Ms Glover and Government primarily happened when 7 day testing was removed by Government without consulting her. ( I’m sure there were other reasons, she’s told us about them, but that was what crystallised it ). 

Im not sure that 7 day testing would necessarily have picked up some of the transmissions within co-travelling co-isolating households. And I don’t recall anyone asking/recommending day 1 and 13 or 1, 6/7 and 13 day testing in October.

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19 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

If Dr Glover had remained on board, there's an extremely high chance that we wouldn't now be in lockdown.

Does that help?

To be fair the lockdown is nothing to do with if Dr Glover was on board or not.

Lots, and lots of people were crying out for better testing for people travelling over.

You didn't need any expertise to see it was sensible just a following of world news and access to the Internet.

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3 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

To be fair the lockdown is nothing to do with if Dr Glover was on board or not.

Lots, and lots of people were crying out for better testing for people travelling over.

You didn't need any expertise to see it was sensible just a following of world news and access to the Internet.

Most of that testing was, and still is, test 72 hours before travel/arrival. A route we didn’t go down. Boy David said it only catches 7%. That’s a discredited figure.  It may catch up to 50% if you shed and are detectable 7 out of 14 days. But then you’ve up to 3 days in which to get infected.

So, it may stop between 1/3 and one half of positives reaching here. But there are inherent issues with patient transfers having to be tested and hang around in UK.

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