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1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said:

I could with the relevant input from other people.  I reckon it would take a week.

Not at this time of night and for free though.

Plenty have offered to help them and they have refused. 

MBE my arse 😒 

I assume the relevant input from other people includes the experts on MF, who admittedly cannot put a suitable plan together? Well, i'll take you at face value - you will get my vote when you run for CM, and you will be held accountable for your decisions, should you ever be deemed worthy of the role from the wider Manx public... which I fear will never be the case. 

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3 minutes ago, Tricky said:

Ahem - there is one notable difference here. I'm not making claims or suggesting I could do a better job than the Government. My stance is very simple, and absolutely clear. I trust their judgement, and will do exactly what they ask of me - I have no criticisms to make of the government, and that includes accepting the fact that they have made mistakes along the way - I can get over that, whilst you, on the other hand, seemingly can't as you expect perfection, but readily admit you are unable to deliver such. In saying that, I will answer your question - I can justify the vaccination centres by valuing my health and my life, that of my family, and my fellow iom residents (even you) over a few extra quid on my tax bill.

That you Dilli?

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Just now, Tricky said:

I assume the relevant input from other people includes the experts on MF, who admittedly cannot put a suitable plan together? Well, i'll take you at face value - you will get my vote when you run for CM, and you will be held accountable for your decisions, should you ever be deemed worthy of the role from the wider Manx public... which I fear will never be the case. 

You know the Manx public don't select the chief minister? 😂

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16 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

You say the sweetest things.

We’re currently in an avoidable lockdown. The policies that have been brought in at every step have been implemented when the horse was already out the gate. 

How would you justify the vaccination centres currently being built here at great expense? As something topical and ongoing. 

You're normally very smart and I've got a lot of respect.

But even you seem to now be falling for a rather predictable but non specific criticism of things in general. And I'm definitely ancient enough to be from an era when we rather pointlessly criticized all governments by default*. Today I am grown up enough to understand that government must be a hugely difficult responsibility which must inevitably be hard to always get right.

Like many here, maybe you've been free-associating too long. You're all picking out the minutiae of minor differences. Perhaps failing to notice that in general we are doing rather ok here.

* though for my generation the big issues were, frankly, bigger.

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Just now, horatiotheturd said:

You know the Manx public don't select the chief minister? 😂

Indeed, but you have to put yourself position, and to do so, you need the support of the manx public. See you in Tynwald...

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1 minute ago, pongo said:

You're normally very smart and I've got a lot of respect.

But even you seem to now be falling for a rather predictable but non specific criticism of things in general. And I'm definitely ancient enough to be from an era when we rather pointlessly criticized all governments by default. Today I am grown up enough to understand that government must be a hugely difficult responsibility which must inevitably be hard to always get right.

Like many here, maybe you've been free-associating too long. You're all picking out the minutiae of minor differences. Perhaps failing to notice that in general we are doing rather ok here.

Well said. It is unfortunate that perspective seems to be something of a lost art.

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1 minute ago, Tricky said:

Ahem - there is one notable difference here. I'm not making claims or suggesting I could do a better job than the Government. My stance is very simple, and absolutely clear. I trust their judgement, and will do exactly what they ask of me - I have no criticisms to make of the government, and that includes accepting the fact that they have made mistakes along the way - I can get over that, whilst you, on the other hand, seemingly can't as you expect perfection, but readily admit you are unable to deliver such. In saying that, I will answer your question - I can justify the vaccination centres by valuing my health and my life, that of my family, and my fellow iom residents (even you) over a few extra quid on my tax bill.

I’m not suggesting I personally would a better job. I never once have. Nor have I requested perfection. 

However, as part of a modern government, I’d argue that there should be transparency within the decisions made and how they are reached. Rather than Manx Whispers, an old boys club and publicly denouncing businesses. You lose legitimacy in the eyes of your people. 

As a rule of thumb, people are far more understanding if they know why things are being done. Unfortunately, despite the situation in the UK, no Mann is an island.
 

We lack even a vague exit strategy, when it’s likely Covid will be in circulation for a long time yet. Long term, local eradication isn’t viable, and we must be best equipped for the times it does return  

The fatigue of restrictions is getting to a lot of people, and that will only worsen with time. Look at the kick-offs on buy and sell groups on Facebook, then the back and forth with the IOM Police media page on the back of that. 

Vaccination centres are important, I agree, but, how can one justify refurbishing a dilapidated old supermarket? When actually, the majority of the world aren’t refitting vaccine deluxe centres. Including our nearest parallel in Guernsey.

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2 hours ago, horatiotheturd said:

Loads of business have halted plans to move here.  Good luck attracting staff with no clear pathway on borders.

People who moved here have gone back again.  People don't want to be cut off from family and friends.  Just look at the issues with teachers and nurses, the same applies everywhere 

I don't think many Manx people are too concerned that businesses might not move here right now. We're in a pandemic. There are so many more important things than "growing the economy".

Transient people moving away again? Ok. See ya then. 

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I don't see it. Anecdotally, I have a large family, big friend network and many colleagues, but I don't hear anyone complaining about this really. Most people I know are just happy we had our free summer, autumn and winter and are now just looking forward to being free again in a week or so. 

I have friends in Manchester who are so depressed, they cannot visit family or friends who live 30 mins away. They have been in lockdown of some kind for so long they are becoming afraid of crowds and people. It's awful. I think we are lucky in comparison and any business that can't see those advantages, well...

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2 minutes ago, Raffles said:

I don't think many Manx people are too concerned that businesses might not move here right now. We're in a pandemic. There are so many more important things than "growing the economy".

Transient people moving away again? Ok. See ya then. 

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I don't see it. Anecdotally, I have a large family, big friend network and many colleagues, but I don't hear anyone complaining about this really. Most people I know are just happy we had our free summer, autumn and winter and are now just looking forward to being free again in a week or so. 

I have friends in Manchester who are so depressed, they cannot visit family or friends who live 30 mins away. They have been in lockdown of some kind for so long they are becoming afraid of crowds and people. It's awful. I think we are lucky in comparison and any business that can't see those advantages, well...

Out of interest and without giving away to much what do you do?  Are you paid by government?

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2 hours ago, horatiotheturd said:

Lpads of business have halted plans to move here

Not one single viable or useful business with plans to perhaps move here has changed their plan.

No serious or viable business would plan so short term. Any that say they have would not be worth worrying about.

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17 minutes ago, Tricky said:

Ahem - there is one notable difference here. I'm not making claims or suggesting I could do a better job than the Government. My stance is very simple, and absolutely clear. I trust their judgement, and will do exactly what they ask of me - I have no criticisms to make of the government, and that includes accepting the fact that they have made mistakes along the way - I can get over that, whilst you, on the other hand, seemingly can't as you expect perfection, but readily admit you are unable to deliver such. In saying that, I will answer your question - I can justify the vaccination centres by valuing my health and my life, that of my family, and my fellow iom residents (even you) over a few extra quid on my tax bill.

I don't think anyone in the past 1165 pages has said they will not comply or that they do not value their own or everyone else's health.

People are questioning some odd decisions and directions taken.  I will not recount them, but the net effect, for me at least, has been to wonder on what basis have these decisions been made.  They are not trivial decisions with relatively trivial impact (mainly financial) but pretty fundamental to everyone's way of life and seem to be either made on the hoof or contradictory to previously stated positions.   

Some would say that it is not just the perogative of the electorate to question what their government is doing, but an obligation.   That is what a free democracy is.

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Just now, pongo said:

Not one single viable or useful business with plans to perhaps move here has changed their plan.

No serious or viable business would plan so short term. Any that say they have would not be worth worrying about.

The only way you would know that would be if you worked for the doe.

Which would make you a civil servant. Which would explain a lot

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7 minutes ago, pongo said:

You're normally very smart and I've got a lot of respect.

But even you seem to now be falling for a rather predictable but non specific criticism of things in general. And I'm definitely ancient enough to be from an era when we rather pointlessly criticized all governments by default*. Today I am grown up enough to understand that government must be a hugely difficult responsibility which must inevitably be hard to always get right.

Like many here, maybe you've been free-associating too long. You're all picking out the minutiae of minor differences. Perhaps failing to notice that in general we are doing rather ok here.

* though for my generation the big issues were, frankly, bigger.

We’re a soft old bunch these days. Talk to anyone who grew up during the war, you weren’t allowed off the island without special dispensation, you wouldn’t see your family for potentially years and you simply had to make do. The guest house owners who were turfed out for a pittance to a house stripped bare was an eye opener on Manx Nostalgia. 

Now, you’ve got people spitting on policemen for being told to keep your distance. Though, the UK has become a very strange place. 

By and large, we’ve been very lucky in the way the Island has been since June, and I think the Manx public have gone a long way to enabling that. 
 

I think, what we lack now, is a light at the end of a tunnel, that is manifesting itself as a generalised frustration. Whilst we have it comparatively easy, many of us wonder about the implications on family, relationships, jobs and the broader future of the island. 

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