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4 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

I completely understand why you feel we’re actually doing everything right. From your perspective, we’re safe, most of us are employed, and we’re essentially free. 

I’ve pointed out, it is not a Minister’s job to know all the answers, but it is their job to assemble the people and information to form them. 
 

I think you’re naive if you think that Manx Whispers are purely a side effect of this current situation. Realistically, all it has done is brought into the spotlight the decision making and processes within the government. Oversight is no bad thing. In some press conferences, earlier in the month, HQ had been coming across far better than he had in quite a long time. 
 

Numerous scientists have agreed that actually, the vaccination is more likely to be a damper than a magic cure. The Manx public must be ready for that being a reality. 
 

Well, there are grandparents who haven’t seen their newborn grandchildren, there are posters here who have been separated from their children for months through no fault of their own. 
 

Even two weeks of lockdown can be a long time if you’re living paycheck to paycheck. For those who would otherwise be able to continue working safely, this has led them into a difficult situation. 
 

Perspective is a wonderful thing, and we are in a fortunate position. The biggest tragedy would be to lose it through complacency.  

I don't think we are doing everything right, but I am willing to accept, given the severity of the challenge presented to the whole planet, we aren't going to get everything right. We are doing well, in relative terms.

Manx Whispers, or to use one of my dear Mothers favourite sayings, 'tittle tattle', has no positives, ever.

I accept your point re vaccines, but as I have stated, this is a changing situation. No one can predict the changes, so we will have to live, and react to them. This is why no fixed, long term plan be be implemented, anywhere.

My children cannot see their grandparents. Not their fault, not my fault. Blame also never solves anything. We just have to work through it. Why exacerbate the agony by whinging about it?

I'm fortunate in that i don't live paycheck to paycheck, but nor am I wealthy. I sympathise with many in such a difficult situation, but I would also say, I see many of the complaints in this regard coming from people with a shiny top of the range Merc parked on their drive, in exchange for sending 400 quid per month in Rex's direction... yet they live paycheck to paycheck. I don't have a Merc, or a car for that matter, I have a van, which is paid for, that I use for work, and any other travel. Perhaps this may have  something to do with why i'm not so worried about my position atm.

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17 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

blah blah blah 

No serious company is deciding whether or not to be here based on what happens in the next few months. Anyone with a brain knows that those sorts of decisions are based on much longer term considerations.

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3 minutes ago, pongo said:

If they were then it wouldn't be business worth taking because it would mean dealing with morons.

They were a startup (is, not brand new but looking to grow)

They wanted to move here. They had plans to move here and had recruited staff.  The office in the UK (Readjng) was going to stay in place for a year while operations transferred to the new office here which was due to grow over 12 months into new premises which they were planning to build.

They couldn't get staff to come here and bolster the local ones they had offered jobs to because of travel restrictions and no reassurance of a way out.  So they invested tens of millions back in reading and Windsor and employed staff there instead.

Everything seemed to be going to plan down there last time I checked.  Several of the board who had already purchased houses here now have them up for sale.

Believe what you want

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13 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

They were a startup (is, not brand new but looking to grow)

They wanted to move here. They had plans to move here and had recruited staff.  The office in the UK (Readjng) was going to stay in place for a year while operations transferred to the new office here which was due to grow over 12 months into new premises which they were planning to build.

They couldn't get staff to come here and bolster the local ones they had offered jobs to because of travel restrictions and no reassurance of a way out.  So they invested tens of millions back in reading and Windsor and employed staff there instead.

Everything seemed to be going to plan down there last time I checked.  Several of the board who had already purchased houses here now have them up for sale.

Believe what you want

What's you're source? 

 

As the pubs are closed is it "man down the pub" just in a different location? 

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People expecting this to be over in the next 3 - 6 months are going to  be very disappointed. 

It's laughable to be miserable about business that planned this that or the other set up in the island. In the current climate the island will do well to keep most of what it already has. 

 

Laurence Skelly would be impressed with dreamed up numbers like that. Do you already work for the Starship Enterprise?

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56 minutes ago, pongo said:

Not one single viable or useful business with plans to perhaps move here has changed their plan.

No serious or viable business would plan so short term. Any that say they have would not be worth worrying about.

It's worth pointing out that this and its subsequent repetitions are a classic example of the No True Scotsman fallacy:

"No serious or viable business would drop its plans to move here"

"But this business has changed its plans to move here"

"But that means it can't have been a serious or viable business.  Because no ..."

Repeat ad infinitum.

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8 hours ago, pongo said:

No. That's bollocks. And very obviously.

It's very simply that no serious business makes such big decisions based on such a short term analysis. The virus is over soon - perhaps a few months, perhaps a year. That kind of timescale is not going to affect where a company registers etc.

Don't be basic.

You say no serous business makes such big decisions based on such a short term analysis.

Let us treat respective Governments, in this example, so the UK, hell .. even CoMin & us here.

Have they (yes, they again) carried out any substantive analysis on the consequences of three & two lockdowns respectively, in terms of the nations economy, unemployment, delayed medical treatments, educational failings, mental health issues (amongst many others) ?

The answer - No.

We’ve known for months who is susceptible to developing life threatening symptoms from the virus yet the pain & suffering goes on for everyone.

I’m sorry and I hate to be a lone voice but I’m just not buying it. 

Call me an insensitive pensioner killer - it’s fine.

 

 

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Not sure you are a lone voice NDP.

What many have been asking for is a holistic risk management approach, whereas what we seem to have is a focused risk elimination approach, considering only one risk. 

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Given that we have demonstrated that elimination is possible and our economy works well when that happens I think it is a good short term policy, maybe for 6 months. In that 6 months we need to prepare for how we manage future outbreaks.  Vaccinate as many as we can. Build a facility to cope with the expected maximum number of serious cases which will  arise once the virus is back in the community, endemic.

I have not seen or heard of these plans.

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15 minutes ago, NoTail said:

Given that we have demonstrated that elimination is possible and our economy works well when that happens I think it is a good short term policy, maybe for 6 months. In that 6 months we need to prepare for how we manage future outbreaks.  Vaccinate as many as we can. Build a facility to cope with the expected maximum number of serious cases which will  arise once the virus is back in the community, endemic.

I have not seen or heard of these plans.

Once the required amount are vaccinated then there shouldn't be any need for restrictions. I do suspect (in the uk) that come winter when the yearly pressure on the nhs happens there will be restrictions there. 

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3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

Once the required amount are vaccinated then there shouldn't be any need for restrictions. I do suspect (in the uk) that come winter when the yearly pressure on the nhs happens there will be restrictions there. 

You are, I think, missing my point. I am hoping we can learn from our mistakes,  think I've heard that phrase before.

When this all started we had no plans to cope with a serious pandemic, even though scientists have been warning about one for years. There will be more. Meanwhile the current virus will be causing problems for years to come. There is no guarantee that "the required amount are vaccinated" can be achieved.  No one knows that number, and we do know there are some who will not be vaccinated.

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9 hours ago, pongo said:

 

No serious company is deciding whether or not to be here based on what happens in the next few months. Anyone with a brain knows that those sorts of decisions are based on much longer term considerations.

Another government apologist on full pensions!

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10 hours ago, horatiotheturd said:

You know the Manx public don't select the chief minister? 😂

That's true. But then not many jurisdictions do. We select the government (via an area representative) in a democratic way. They are then free to elect their own leader.

Maybe we should have a US approach:D. Because that seems worse.

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