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8 hours ago, P.K. said:

And you think "we" have problems? Looks like I hit a nerve. Excellent!

I'm not disputing you're entitled to your opinions.

You just need to to be aware, if you can be, that your opinions are not necessarily facts.

Happy to help!

But they are facts. Hooper is an intelligent man asking intelligent and relevant questions. Guidance has been far from clear and the police have been making it up they go along in many cases. 

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39 minutes ago, Grayson said:

But they are facts. Hooper is an intelligent man asking intelligent and relevant questions. Guidance has been far from clear and the police have been making it up they go along in many cases. 

Can you provide examples of where the Police have made things up as they go along?

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8 minutes ago, WTF said:

the people fishing ?

Yes! There seems to be quite a bit of confusion over this one. A friend of mine who has been self-isolating as a vulnerable person said he's been seeing a neighbour walk past his house most days - even before last Friday - with his fishing gear. The pavement is directly in front of my friend's front windows so it's not like he's been curtain-twitching.

As far as I know fishing has not been mentioned one way or another in the restricted activities, but I do know there's been a lot of debate over this point and little or no clarification from government.

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29 minutes ago, The Lurker said:

Can you provide examples of where the Police have made things up as they go along?

Yes as others have already said 

Fishing 

Telling people they have to exercise at the closest location

Allowing cyclists to go in 4 hour runs but stopping people on an hours exercise

Warning people who allegedly drive 100 yards more than necessary

There are lots of examples where they have just made rules up to suit them Hooper is completely right. 

 

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11 minutes ago, quilp said:

Boot, in his wisdom banned fishing only last week. 

Aye, this past weekend. He seemed to be talking about fishing from a boat (gin parties ok, leaving the harbour to fish, not) but I don't recall him mentioning other types of fishing.

On a brief foray into FB to check on friends abroad on Tuesday, I saw several local arguments as to whether one could fish from shore, freshwater fishing, breakwater fishing ad nauseum. There seems to be a lot of confusion over this one. I suspect much of it is to do with wishful thinking. I'm not an angler so I don't have a stake in it either way.

ETA: In the arguments I saw, people seemed adamant that breakwater fishing wasn't permitted. (Sorry Quilp, I didn't see your second post before I hit send.)

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In fairness to the cops they have been in the same boat as the rest of us because Govt failed to publish any determinations with their law and regs. It was pretty much left to Peter Edge to interpret.

The cops were a bit off piste to start with but Gary gave that clarification they were there to enforce the law, not the guidance. I think that got them back on track. He was also alive to criticisms of the police escort of the corona internees, not saying it was wrong publicly but saying it would be done differently from thereon.

 

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4 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

In fairness to the cops they have been in the same boat as the rest of us because Govt failed to publish any determinations with their law and regs. It was pretty much left to Peter Edge to interpret.

The cops were a bit off piste to start with but Gary gave that clarification they were there to enforce the law, not the guidance. I think that got them back on track. He was also alive to criticisms of the police escort of the corona internees, not saying it was wrong publicly but saying it would be done differently from thereon.

Quite.

As ecobob pointed out legislation should not be open to different interpretations. But to be fair it's generally true that if it's pushed through quickly it's liable to have some issues that rely on people and the police using their common sense.

That's where it's fallen down I suppose.... :)

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10 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

In fairness to the cops they have been in the same boat as the rest of us because Govt failed to publish any determinations with their law and regs. It was pretty much left to Peter Edge to interpret.

The cops were a bit off piste to start with but Gary gave that clarification they were there to enforce the law, not the guidance. I think that got them back on track. He was also alive to criticisms of the police escort of the corona internees, not saying it was wrong publicly but saying it would be done differently from thereon.

 

The Chief was right to confer that the escort of detainees, sorry internees be done differently, the media show that unfurled at the steam packet terminus was an embarrassment to us all.

The stories now coming from those that were quarantined are no better and deserve and independent enquiry.

I hope the P.AC take the Chief Minister and  Chief Secretary to task on this matter which has placed a dark cloud over the government’s excellent performance during this pandemic.

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1 minute ago, quilp said:

Easy to see how confusion arises.

From MR's story last week...

 

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I think this probably sums up the problem; the lack of clarity or specificity in the rules and regulations means that those responsible for enforcement are the ones who have to interpret the meaning; I guess that this often happens with new legislation but the far reaching nature of the Covid regulations means we are much more aware of it. 

At the beginning of lock down I think it was right that a blanket approach was taken; if they'd debated every last nuance of possible activity then we'd still be waiting and numbers would be in the long thousands by now. However; there should've been a dedicated team set in place straight away to interpret the regs to avoid confusion.

14 minutes ago, Grayson said:

Yes as others have already said 

Fishing 

Telling people they have to exercise at the closest location

Allowing cyclists to go in 4 hour runs but stopping people on an hours exercise

Warning people who allegedly drive 100 yards more than necessary

There are lots of examples where they have just made rules up to suit them Hooper is completely right. 

 

Taking your points in order:

Hadn't heard about fishing being a problem before now but it seems sensible to me that it should be allowed in places where a stationary person fishing can easily be 'socially distanced' by folk passing by and not allowed where it can't.

Telling people to exercise at the closest location also seems perfectly reasonable to me; remember that when the regs were first brought in no one had any idea how all this was going to pan out; no one knew how well the general public would react and respect the social distancing rules. What may now seem like a bit of an overreaction in light of how low our numbers have actually been smacks riding the hindsight bus.

I'm pretty sure that on the very first day of lock down the Police (having been made aware of someone going for a very long ride) put something out about this being unacceptable. 

People were told not to travel unless it was absolutely necessary; be it 100 yards or 100 miles they shouldn't be doing it and as you say; they were 'warned' not prosecuted. That seems to me to be a reasonable action. 

How does making up the rules suit the Police? You (and others) seem to think that the Police are somehow benefiting from or even enjoying this situation and I just don't see that. From the Chief Constables' last appearance at the briefing and from people I know who are Police Officers all this is at best a total ball-ache and at worst is seriously harming their core role.

No one is enjoying the current situation, no one likes having restrictions on their lives and certainly no one likes the economic harm this is causing but we all have a choice between knuckling down so that we can relax the restrictions sooner or we can make things worse for everyone including ourselves by breaching the rules.

Railing against the restrictions does not make anyone a libertarian warrior; it just makes them a petulant twat.    

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