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OK. For what it's worth I'm going to try and explain why genomics is important in a ssRNA virus epidemic. No doubt it will end up being recited badly at a briefing, but, well, whatever. You read it he

Rachel has tried every which way to re-offer her services. This last tweet wasn't the first time she's reached out. Government has made it very clear they do not want her to be involved. I want h

I think you'll find most so called anti-government rhetoric is focused on government-stupidity and government-selfishness. In recent times - under Brown, Bell and now Quayle - all too many govern

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2 minutes ago, daisy said:

The offer of free and quick testing at that point should have been taken up.  Instead there was radio silence and well over a week before the results came back from Liverpool.  Does sending samples to Liverpool not come at a cost?

You may have a point, but I was responding to a post that was suggesting that Taxagenomics would provide all the genomics testing for free, which I don't think Dr Glover ever said (understandably).

I have no idea about the costs of sending samples to Liverpool, but they are not a commercial organisation so they are probably not making profits on the testing.

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9 minutes ago, Holte End said:

It seems to work for MHK's, so why shouldn't it work for private individuals.

When the Government doesn't listen and won't believe what you tell them in private.

Tell me fuckwit what are you suppose to do.

We don't have the opportunity to go to Government briefing and let Chris Robertshaw pick up on our

suggestions and take the mantle.

Have you ever tried, I have.

 

To be fair everyone has an opinion.  It doesn't always make it right.

Decisions need to be made based on the evidence available aligned with a collective consensus.  It isn't always going to be perfect.  It isn't always going to please everyone.

There is also this delusional notion that Howard Quayle simply tells Comin what the decision is.

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1 minute ago, TerryFuchwit said:

 

There is also this delusional notion that Howard Quayle simply tells Comin what the decision is.

I know, don't understand people who think that when it is the Chief Secretary telling Tynwald what to do.

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14 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

Sounds like the three new cases were exposed to the virus on Tuesday and were isolated and tested subsequently Thursday. They were very unlikely to have been infectious as the incubation period is between two and seven days. Good work by the contact tracing team again. 

Must just be me as no one else has said anything.  So cases came to light on Wednesday, “index case” they started testing close contacts.

That included a  music group where some kids had been on Tuesday.  A contact of the initial case and some others all tested positive.

I appreciate that with a show coming up these kids will have been together a few times a day, but are they 100% certain that the one who infected the other was the one linked to the index case?

What if on the other kids had had it, shown no symptoms, been spreading it around the group until such time that a parent who showed symptoms went for a test.

100% it came from the steam packet - not convinced with more information.

Possibility it had been spread around at low levels in kids since last lockdown until an adult got a sniffle and a test?

Hands up to admit for the first time I can see that rapid genomics could clarify here, and that I don’t in a million years believe they have identified every positive case based the seemingly high transmission rates in those they have tested.

 

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5 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

To be fair everyone has an opinion.  It doesn't always make it right.

Decisions need to be made based on the evidence available aligned with a collective consensus.  It isn't always going to be perfect.  It isn't always going to please everyone.

There is also this delusional notion that Howard Quayle simply tells Comin what the decision is.

When the data and evidence is floored  provided to said Members, then Ministers and Comin,

But they refuse to accept any other data or evidence, then pray tell what is one suppose to do.

Blaming the Chief Secretary is the easy option out.

So then going public in any format is better than sitting there doing nothing.

So, yes you can blame the Howard Quayle and Comin.

 

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11 minutes ago, Barlow said:

To be fair, Dr Ewart is a Doctor of Philosophy.

Without prejudice, her linkedin profile indicates Dr. Ewart has a great deal of experience in Public Health. She's not just a Doctor of Philosophy. 

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2 hours ago, Newbie said:

I don't think that Dr Glover has ever offered to do all genomics testing for free. She may want to correct me if I am wrong, but what she tweeted on 15th Jan was

I did offer to do it for free and would have continued to do so.

2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Yes that's right. You can't put the cart before the horse. If you have a commercial proposition you.

1. Do you research and see if there is a market.

2. If there is, you invest in what is needed to provide the service.

3. You offer the service.

It's not the other way around. 

As I see it, if there was an accredited laboratory on the Isle of Man that could do genomic testing at a cost less than a UK laboratory and with the added bonus of a faster turnaround then IOM government would be in breach of its own FINREGS. I suspect though that this is not the situation. 

In the world of laboratory testing, accreditation is everything. It doesn't come cheap. 

I can't see how any laboratory that only gets occasional work could be viable. 

You don't seem to know much about lab testing. The hospital lab isn't even accredited. Saying that, we offered to do the genomics for free because it was the right thing to do for the Isle of Man during an emerging outbreak where we had the capability, expertise, reagents and equipment to do so. Many companies have offered up their expertise on the Isle of Man in the last 12 months, were all of those looking to make a profit? We bring in six figure revenues every month so we don't need any kind of contract from the IoM Gov. 

Is it such a foreign concept that an offer of help could be genuine? After 11 months of exposure to these kind of attitudes I desperately worry about the level of altruism on the Island and what it says about us as a nation.

35 minutes ago, Newbie said:

You may have a point, but I was responding to a post that was suggesting that Taxagenomics would provide all the genomics testing for free, which I don't think Dr Glover ever said (understandably).

I have no idea about the costs of sending samples to Liverpool, but they are not a commercial organisation so they are probably not making profits on the testing.

Liverpool are an academic lab funded by a research project (COG-UK). We buy the same reagents, use the same protocols and have the same equipment. I did offer to do the sequencing for free.

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13 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Careful now.  The last thing we need to see on here is positive comments in relation to government covid work.  

The Isle of Man brought in strict border controls. That is positive and I applaud the IoM Government for that. Thank you IoMGov.

By the time UK Government did anything about border controls they had allowed millions - literally millions - of people in and out of the country with little or no control. Many on the Kent (yes the place where a new strain emerged) coast for example without one single iota of control.

How many people have died and what will the lack of firm policy have cost the UK?

 

The Isle of Man Government jailed Covid-19 miscreants. That is positive and I applaud the IoM Government for that. Thank you IoMGov.

On the other hand, UK Government applauded and protected (...please excuse my language, but I need some alliteration here) that covid cunt Cummings. What harm and how many people died as a result of that particular on a plate excuse for people to stick two fingers up to Government Covid regulations and controls?

 

Against a lot of whingers the Isle of Man Government set up the Comis as a Covid Isolation Hotel. This was against some of the more vociferous of the wanderlust 'internees' protesting they were adults and were perfectly capable of isolating at home. They were escorted from the boat and into the hotel. That is positive and I applaud the IoM Government for that. Thank you IoMGov. Covid Hotels are now becoming commonplace throughout the world.

 

Isle of Man Government has plenty of positives relating to Covid, but that doesn't mean that negatives can be ignored.

Does it Terry.

 

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9 minutes ago, quilp said:

Without prejudice, her linkedin profile indicates Dr. Ewart has a great deal of experience in Public Health. She's not just a Doctor of Philosophy. 

Of course not, but to push the point as you have, she is not a Doctor of Medicine.

I would much prefer at the Covid-19 briefings, that Howard Quayle would introduce Henrietta as "Doctor of Philosophy Henrietta Ewart".

Then there is no mistaking. Is there.

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7 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Of course not, but to push the point as you have, she is not a Doctor of Medicine.

I would much prefer at the Covid-19 briefings, that Howard Quayle would introduce Henrietta as "Doctor of Philosophy Henrietta Ewart".

Then there is no mistaking. Is there.

Turn it in ffs

 

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7 minutes ago, Barlow said:

Of course not, but to push the point as you have, she is not a Doctor of Medicine.

I would much prefer at the Covid-19 briefings, that Howard Quayle would introduce Henrietta as "Doctor of Philosophy Henrietta Ewart".

Then there is no mistaking. Is there.

She studied medicine at Oxford and Middlesex Hospital and was a junior doctor in the RAF.  Some people don't understand that  PhD is not the same as a medical doctor. 

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1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said:

Between Dr Hetty and Professor Ashford and Sir Howard we have the world's best COVID experts, I am surprised the WHO have not headhunted our Island's own Virusbuster's to get the world back on track! Where is Piers Morgan? is he having a follow-up interview? 

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14 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said:

Between Dr Hetty and Professor Ashford and Sir Howard we have the world's best COVID experts, I am surprised the WHO have not headhunted our Island's own Virusbuster's to get the world back on track! Where is Piers Morgan? is he having a follow-up interview? 

Don't forget the MF advisory panel. We know more than all them Government experts put together.

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