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53 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Why would you be " very surprised"?

It's Sunday for a start.  Do you think people are literally hanging around 24 hours a day in the lab waiting for someone to need testing?

Someone clearly phoned up with or developed symptoms that needed a test.  They then have to get that test, have th le test taken to be examined.  The results then have to be reviewed and confirmed.   It then has to go to government, on a Sunday night, to arrange a communication. 

So, if all that kicked off mid to late afternoon yesterday WTF are you expecting?

Were you working last night BTW?

 

111 is open 8 till 8 i thought?

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4 hours ago, The Chief said:

can't argue semantics with Howie he told us that very early on.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

And that's the problem.  They're more interested in playing about with words so they can pretend they are in control rather than dealing with reality and actually controlling things.

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27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

No it doesn’t mean it’s a guess.

 It’s a categorisation taking all the relevant factors into account. This involves a degree of objectivity which means it cannot be an exact science.

Low risk does not mean no risk, as has been proved.

 

I am sure there is a risk, but unsure of that risk, because the risk can't be measured

 scientifically, If it is not an exact science and can't be proven, until it is either  it is proved or disproved

So it could be a high risk or a low risk, so someone has to make a chose.

Then that is a guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I think part of the problem is there are some utterly selfish fuckers who have zero appreciation for the relentless efforts of some of the people involved in trying to manage the pandemic.

Heaven forbid someone has the audacity to have a difference of opinion to yourself. The selfish fuckers are those with short memories who go out exactly the same as before, like COVID-19 has never existed, 3 weeks lockdown for 2 weeks freedom wasn’t worth it.

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37 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Disagree there. I interpreted Ashford as saying:

"As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know."

Which is far simpler.

 

Yes, thank you Humphrey.

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4 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Heaven forbid someone has the audacity to have a difference of opinion to yourself. The selfish fuckers are those with short memories who go out exactly the same as before, like COVID-19 has never existed, 3 weeks lockdown for 2 weeks freedom wasn’t worth it.

I care not who you disagree with.  But people with such a selfish attitude as you need pulling.

How are people going out selfish by venturing out?  People are trying to conduct a semi normal life.  Businesses and livelihoods trying to be maintained.  Schools went back.  Are you suggesting they shouldn't have done?

 

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36 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

I’m not going to waste my time battling against two of the most vocal forum members individually. It’s simply my opinion that I believe the process could be more streamlined, I don’t think the turnaround time is quick enough, I think releasing at 11:30pm actually causes more panic because the time of day certainly suggests urgency, the track and trace system is simply relying on goodwill and I don’t feel we’ve learnt anything since N.Y.D cases at all.

They can’t actually be sure this is the same ‘cluster’ until the genomic results come back, in the meantime it’s relying on contact tracing playing dot to dot, assuming it is actually the same transmission line. 

 

How can you possibly say that without knowing what time the 111 call was made?

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10 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I care not who you disagree with.  But people with such a selfish attitude as you need pulling.

How are people going out selfish by venturing out?  People are trying to conduct a semi normal life.  Businesses and livelihoods trying to be maintained.  Schools went back.  Are you suggesting they shouldn't have done?

 

This is quite true. If people have concerns and don't trust Governments strategy, they can choose to lock themselves down. It is not compulsory to go out. I can't see the difference between a government lockdown and an individual lockdown.

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29 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

7 days a week ? That surprises me if true 

Manx Radio relayed that info just a couple of days ago; 08:00 to 20:00 every day.

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8 minutes ago, trmpton said:

How can you possibly say that without knowing what time the 111 call was made?

Well we have a fairly good idea.  From the Government Facebook:

As a precaution, customers who were at Java Express Coffee Shop & Noodle Bar on Tuesday 16 February between 12:30pm and 1:30pm are being asked to immediately self-isolate, along with others in their household, and contact the COVID-111 Service.

The shop was identified as a low risk location for COVID-19 following a visit last Tuesday by an individual who later went on to test positive for the virus. A customer who was in the shop at the time has gone on to develop symptoms. They contacted the COVID-111 Service and were instructed to self-isolate along with other members of their household. The individual was offered a test which returned a positive result.

The COVID-111 Service is open each day from 8am to 8pm.

That reads like they got tested after ringing 111 and being given a swabbing appointment later in the normal way (as no doubt others did - there were 168 tests yesterday).   Possibly done on Sunday, maybe Saturday.  I think turnaround is now fast enough that someone swabbed lunchtime will have the result by 4pm.

But what we also know is that there was only one swab 'awaiting results' at 4pm and that might be this one being retested in the hope it wasn't positive.

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