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41 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

And that's the problem.  They're more interested in playing about with words so they can pretend they are in control rather than dealing with reality and actually controlling things.

"Contrariwise, continued Tweedledee, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."

Any phenotypical resemblance between Howard and Humpty /Tweedledee is entirely coincidental.

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7 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

I care not who you disagree with.  But people with such a selfish attitude as you need pulling.

How are people going out selfish by venturing out?  People are trying to conduct a semi normal life.  Businesses and livelihoods trying to be maintained.  Schools went back.  Are you suggesting they shouldn't have done?

 

Asymptomatic cases can roam completely undetected, waiting around for symptomatic cases to pop up when you know a positive case has visited a venue is like playing whack-a-mole, to use steam packet as an example even if crew members will be required to isolate, the family doesn’t. We need to change strategy, I think the compromise is either a decent track and trace system (allowing free movement) or restriction of movement and quicker genomic testing to correctly identify any transmission chains.

Purely hypothetical but what will happen if it turned out the Steam Packet crew member actually caught Covid from somewhere over here, perhaps an asymptomatic case that went undetected? Perhaps it possible it never went away in the first place? 

 

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8 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Purely hypothetical but what will happen if it turned out the Steam Packet crew member actually caught Covid from somewhere over here, perhaps an asymptomatic case that went undetected? Perhaps it possible it never went away in the first place? 

 

Wouldn't that be under the column heading, "known unknown"?

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11 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Asymptomatic cases can roam completely undetected, waiting around for symptomatic cases to pop up when you know a positive case has visited a venue is like playing whack-a-mole, to use steam packet as an example even if crew members will be required to isolate, the family doesn’t. We need to change strategy, I think the compromise is either a decent track and trace system (allowing free movement) or restriction of movement and quicker genomic testing to correctly identify any transmission chains.

Purely hypothetical but what will happen if it turned out the Steam Packet crew member actually caught Covid from somewhere over here, perhaps an asymptomatic case that went undetected? Perhaps it possible it never went away in the first place? 

 

And would it really matter if that was the case?

Those obsessed with eradication will sleep a lot better once they accept it isn't possible.

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9 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Packet crew member actually caught Covid from somewhere over here, perhaps an asymptomatic case that went undetected? Perhaps it possible it never went away in the first place? 

Possibly but very unlikely.  The trouble is that you need to have a 'chain' of asymptomatic case, none of whom develop symptoms or pass it on the anyone else who does.  The low level of testing on the Island - even when there is a cluster - might encourage this a bit, but it's still low probability.  You'd really need genomics to be sure.

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Just now, TerryFuchwit said:

Those obsessed with eradication will sleep a lot better once they accept it isn't possible.

Well I’m glad we agree on something then, eradication strategy while allowing free movement is near on impossible.

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Just now, Annoymouse said:

Well I’m glad we agree on something then, eradication strategy while allowing free movement is near on impossible.

Free movement will be happening though.

The world needs to (,and will) largely get back to some sort of normality in relation to movement of people.   Covid will just be an extra thing that could and will kill  a certain  very small percentage of the population annually.

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20 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Asymptomatic cases can roam completely undetected, waiting around for symptomatic cases to pop up when you know a positive case has visited a venue is like playing whack-a-mole, to use steam packet as an example even if crew members will be required to isolate, the family doesn’t. We need to change strategy, I think the compromise is either a decent track and trace system (allowing free movement) or restriction of movement and quicker genomic testing to correctly identify any transmission chains.

Purely hypothetical but what will happen if it turned out the Steam Packet crew member actually caught Covid from somewhere over here, perhaps an asymptomatic case that went undetected? Perhaps it possible it never went away in the first place? 

 

From the first outbreak? Almost impossible as it would've been picked up at some point, it spreads well.

From the January outbreak? Plausible, but, even circulating in a young population, you'd expect it to be passed on to someone symptomatically within a fairly short period of time. Though, it's easy to discount things as hayfever or just feeling under the weather.

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8 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

And would it really matter if that was the case?

Those obsessed with eradication will sleep a lot better once they accept it isn't possible.

Short term eradication is possible, see the IoM from June through to the end of December. Or Guernsey, Or Aus and NZ. Or South Korea.

We've only got to get so much further with it before we can start that move towards normality. In our case, the benefits of maintaining elimination short term outweigh the costs, whilst we get everyone vaccinated.

In the UK, for example, getting to a state of elimination will be nigh on impossible. So they're going all out on vaccination.

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1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

In the UK, for example, getting to a state of elimination will be nigh on impossible. So they're going all out on vaccination.

Will be interesting to hear/read what The MBE has to say about extending the gap between doses.

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