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4 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

From what HQ said in Tynwald today the only person likely to be held to account will be the guy who had the virus. It stinks but we all know no one will be fired above foot solider level.

 

What if he broke the law though. 3 weeks in the clink is order of the day. 

Thought it was a woman though. Hairdressers in onchan? Do men go to hairdressers these days?

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I think we need to take the positives here.

The people having positive tests are those who have been asked to self isolate already. It's not a case of random people calling up 111 with symptoms.

Incuding the last outbreak there has been 1 person in hospital. Even that we dont know if was as a result of covid or in for something else and just happened to test positive. 

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1 minute ago, Happier diner said:

What are you talking about ? I have never said don't use genomics. Have you read my posts. I just said that there was little benefit in having an on island lab. Everyone else seems to manage with LPL. 

I never said we shouldn't let Dr G do tests for free either. Why wouldn't you. 

I'm not Howard Quayle and I have no axe to grind.

No wonder it's going round in circles. Perhaps you should do your research by reading the posts. 

We already have a genomics lab - ready step up and test when necessary ....  We aren't looking at a new genomics lab.

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3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

I think we need to take the positives here.

The people having positive tests are those who have been asked to self isolate already. It's not a case of random people calling up 111 with symptoms.

Incuding the last outbreak there has been 1 person in hospital. Even that we dont know if was as a result of covid or in for something else and just happened to test positive. 

The approach seems fine at the moment.

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1 minute ago, daisy said:

We already have a genomics lab - ready step up and test when necessary ....  We aren't looking at a new genomics lab.

No we don't. It's a commercial organisation that is not accredited to do these tests. Do you ever listen to what government tells you. 

The arguement is only about the speed of results. 

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2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

If it looks straight it usually is straight. :wacko:

I don't know so much, people were saying that about Rock Hudson till the bubble burst. 

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38 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

No we don't. It's a commercial organisation that is not accredited to do these tests. Do you ever listen to what government tells you. 

The arguement is only about the speed of results. 

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There is no accreditation required to sequence COVID genomes. The "approval" that IoMGov are so confused about is geographical (i.e. labs on UK soil are funded by UK). Taxa would see the costs as a donation and we have more than a decade of experience in viral genomes...

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18 minutes ago, daisy said:

From Twitter

 

There is no accreditation required to sequence COVID genomes. The "approval" that IoMGov are so confused about is geographical (i.e. labs on UK soil are funded by UK). Taxa would see the costs as a donation and we have more than a decade of experience in viral genomes...

And how may I ask would you know they were correct.

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Just now, Happier diner said:

Seems weird that the university had invested £20M in setting up a lab to do this testing. That's some payback. But then they do a good proportion of all the UK testing.

I admit I'm no expert but something doesn't add up. 

I wonder if the isles of Scilly have a lab?

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1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Interesting in the briefing that Ashford clearly dumped responsibility from any individual SP employee breaching the rules to Corporate SP responsibility for breaches of the rules. Basically a 'get out of jail' card for the employees of that 'Monopoly'.

So as owners of the SP, the government could effectively fine the SP £10m for any breach, knock £10m off the cost of the pandemic and claim a victory...and be home in time for cornflakes.

Though £5 says it will be 'lessons have been learned' ...yet again - and no one gets held to account ...yet again.

 

 

 

There is a bit of confusion over the IOMG ownership; it does not make the SP part of government, it does not make IOMG responsible for the day to day management (they are 'responsible' for appointing a board to manage the business and that's it), it does not prevent government fining SP for a breach of whatever like any other company, or as a shareholder from suing the board for a breach of their fiduciary obligations.  It does not entitle government to have access to all the records of the SP, nor to be privy to the proceedings of the board of the SP and so on.

The SP as a company is distinct and separate to its shareholders. 

Those basic cornerstones of company law can, of course, be modified by the articles of the SP (the public document that sets out how the company works) or by a shareholders agreement or other resolution of the shareholders.  But don't fall into the trap that most on FB do that the SP is really just another government department. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Gladys said:

There is a bit of confusion over the IOMG ownership; it does not make the SP part of government, it does not make IOMG responsible for the day to day management (they are 'responsible' for appointing a board to manage the business and that's it), it does not prevent government fining SP for a breach of whatever like any other company, or as a shareholder from suing the board for a breach of their fiduciary obligations.  It does not entitle government to have access to all the records of the SP, nor to be privy to the proceedings of the board of the SP and so on.

The SP as a company is distinct and separate to its shareholders. 

Those basic cornerstones of company law can, of course, be modified by the articles of the SP (the public document that sets out how the company works) or by a shareholders agreement or other resolution of the shareholders.  But don't fall into the trap that most on FB do that the SP is really just another government department. 

 

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Yes you could prosecute a company that you own and maybe government will have no option to do that. 

Weren't the DOI prosecuted by DEFA last your for health and safety breaches? 

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