IOM Covid removing restrictions

[The Phantom 247]

11 minutes ago, Manxas said:

I've not heard anything yet about anyone being ill from those testing positive, bizarre when you see how badly people are affected across the water. I wonder if back in late 2019, when there was a massive amount of school kids and adults alike who had a nasty flu type virus over here, it was covid? I do remember lots of chat with colleagues who said they were knocked for 6 and I remember some talk about a school closing late 2019 although not sure how  true this was. Maybe us Manxies have some type of immunity from then? 

Early on there was a lot of comments like this.  My brother who is late 30s and quite fit in Dec 2019 was in Spain and was completely bed ridden with the 'worst flu of his life'.  It seems various sources and re-testing of old samples are confirming that Covid was circulating in Europe at least a month before it was initially confirmed. 

You have to account for the fact that alot of cases are asymptomatic.  People may not even be aware that they have it until they are told to have a test as part of contact tracing and then turn out to have it.  Also with the incubation periods etc, realistically you probably aren't going to get that sick in the first week of having it.  

[Nom de plume 1,601]

2 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Early on there was a lot of comments like this.  My brother who is late 30s and quite fit in Dec 2019 was in Spain and was completely bed ridden with the 'worst flu of his life'.  It seems various sources and re-testing of old samples are confirming that Covid was circulating in Europe at least a month before it was initially confirmed. 

You have to account for the fact that alot of cases are asymptomatic.  People may not even be aware that they have it until they are told to have a test as part of contact tracing and then turn out to have it.  Also with the incubation periods etc, realistically you probably aren't going to get that sick in the first week of having it.  

What? ...

You mean it might not have been as deadly as made out?

Get away with you - madness!

[Happier diner 795]

25 minutes ago, Banker said:

Cases will start dropping off next week, these will probably be day 6/7 tests on those close contacts already in isolation. Everyone needs to calm down, the Facebook mob are already on the call for lockdown and starting conspiracy theories!!

Actually I agree. I couldn't resist the joke. I am calm as you could be and ready for a pint in the boozer tonight as usual

[Andy Onchan 4,718]

39 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Whilst I do sympathise with the staff. Why are we blaming the Chief Minister and the Health minister. Seems to me that the management of the SPCo may have signed up to an exemption that their staff cannot realistically meet. The Chief Minister does not sign these things off. The procedure is

1) The company apply for an exemption from the normal isolation procedure. This exemption contains a risk assessment and details the steps that the company will take to prevent the spread of the virus into the Island

2) This is submitted to the cabinet office who assess the measure (along the the Dir PH)

3) The exemption is approved if tyey are happy with it and a certificate is issued

Maybe the SPCo didn't bother telling the staff what was expected of them as Government seem very cocky that the fault isn't with them

We have been promised full details so will be interesting to see.

Isn't DOI responsible/sponsoring dept for IOMSPCo affairs? 

[Happier diner 795]

11 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Early on there was a lot of comments like this.  My brother who is late 30s and quite fit in Dec 2019 was in Spain and was completely bed ridden with the 'worst flu of his life'.  It seems various sources and re-testing of old samples are confirming that Covid was circulating in Europe at least a month before it was initially confirmed. 

You have to account for the fact that alot of cases are asymptomatic.  People may not even be aware that they have it until they are told to have a test as part of contact tracing and then turn out to have it.  Also with the incubation periods etc, realistically you probably aren't going to get that sick in the first week of having it.  

Bit of a mixed message here. But regarding the young man who was ill, if the world has to learn to live with this for ever now, sadly there will be examples like this. The flu vaccine is only offered to the oldies and vulnerable currently. I wonder if the Rona vaccine will be given to everyone every year.

[Happier diner 795]

Just now, Andy Onchan said:

Isn't DOI responsible/sponsoring dept for IOMSPCo affairs? 

No. The management of the SPCo would sponsor anyone working for them

Its true that maybe the DOI (as sponsoring department) would sign it off as part of the approval process though (if that makes sense)

[Ham_N_Eggs 1,131]

29 minutes ago, Manxas said:

I've not heard anything yet about anyone being ill from those testing positive, bizarre when you see how badly people are affected across the water. I wonder if back in late 2019, when there was a massive amount of school kids and adults alike who had a nasty flu type virus over here, it was covid? I do remember lots of chat with colleagues who said they were knocked for 6 and I remember some talk about a school closing late 2019 although not sure how  true this was. Maybe us Manxies have some type of immunity from then? 

The non-community community case in the coffee shop was symptomatic. I also know of at least one other person who is ill. Not all of these cases are asymptomatic.

Just because they aren't publicising the fact people are ill doesn't mean that people aren't ill! 

[AcousticallyChallenged 1,587]

7 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Bit of a mixed message here. But regarding the young man who was ill, if the world has to learn to live with this for ever now, sadly there will be examples like this. The flu vaccine is only offered to the oldies and vulnerable currently. I wonder if the Rona vaccine will be given to everyone every year.

Flu mutates rapidly, hence different vaccine every year. You vaccinate for the most prevalent strain in the other hemisphere, as it'll come your way in winter.

The Rona vaccine targets the spike, and if the spike changes too much, the virus can't attach to your cells and dies out.

So it'll really be a question of how long term immunity works, which could be years+ like with SARS-1. We simply don't know yet.

[Manxas 33]

18 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

The non-community community case in the coffee shop was symptomatic. I also know of at least one other person who is ill. Not all of these cases are asymptomatic.

Just because they aren't publicising the fact people are ill doesn't mean that people aren't ill! 

Thanks Ham n Eggs, like I said at the beginning of my post, 'I hadn't heard anything yet' about people being ill. Thanks for clarifying that you have

[CowMan 368]

1 hour ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Just because they aren't publicising the fact people are ill doesn't mean that people aren't ill! 

But then of course there is being ill and being ill enough to require hospital treatment and it seems that none of these so far have had to be admitted to hospital for covid treatment. 

[thommo2010 2,096]

All 8 already in isolation. Seems the plan is working just fine

[CowMan 368]

Just now, thommo2010 said:

All 8 already in isolation. Seems the plan is working just fine

Well working fine for most people. Although some might swear that there are still a disproportionate amount of people doing the social media equivalent of a rain dance praying for the lockdown God to appear and save us all. But certainly it seems that common sense has prevailed so far.

[thommo2010 2,096]

2 minutes ago, CowMan said:

Well working fine for most people. Although some might swear that there are still a disproportionate amount of people doing the social media equivalent of a rain dance praying for the lockdown God to appear and save us all. But certainly it seems that common sense has prevailed so far.

As soon as theres one case those same people want lockdown. I dont get that kind of thinking. I dread to think what it will be like when the borders open. I'm guessing the government will stop reporting on cases and publishing it daily

[Barlow 1,303]

1 hour ago, Nom de plume said:

What? ...

You mean it might not have been as deadly as made out?

Get away with you - madness!

Well it was bad. For a fit 30 year old. That's how it was made out. "Worst 'flu of his life"

You'll be ok though Ndp. For now. But your Mom and your Pop maybe not, who knows. And your grannies and grandads - well they'll possibly die a horrible slow death where their lungs can't deliver oxygen to the rest of their iorgans anymore and the body expires of exhaustion.

Aye.

But you'll be alright chuck. You'll be just fine.

[CowMan 368]

11 minutes ago, Barlow said:

For now. But your Mom and your Pop maybe not, who knows. And your grannies and grandads - well they'll possibly die a horrible slow death where their lungs can't deliver oxygen to the rest of their iorgans anymore and the body expires of exhaustion.

What an extraordinary statement to make. From what I have read most still die with covid (ie, of something else within 28 days of a covid test but where covid may have been contributory) not gasping to death on a hospital ventilator. To suggest that’s likely the norm is really being a touch over dramatic.