Utah 01 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Barlow said: 28th February (1967) is indeed Howard's birthday ....and that should be celebrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Do we have an advisory committee and who are they? Just to take the foot off the DA and HQ bashing pedal, wouldn't it be really helpful for them to have an expert AC that could be a good sounding board? It would take the pressure off and introduce new ideas and approaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Wright said: I’m not too sure what genomics would tell us about these 2 cases that would inform the lock down decision. Its either from the Steam Packet case, but at two or three removed, ie transmissions, so there’s no overlap of risky places, or it’s a case that’s got in undetected, or been passed around asymptomatically since New Year. Either way it’s unexplained transmission, in the community, and it’ll have been around a few days, maybe more. These two cases are unlikely to have been asymptomatic. Because they aren’t day 1, 6/7 and 13 or track and trace tests. So they’ve probably higher viral load. Something prompted them to get tested. We should have had a roadmap and regs ready just for this. I think they were symptomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Pubs seem to closing voluntarily...4pm and 6pm depending whose they are. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gladys said: I think they were symptomatic. Dr Hennyetty said asymptomatic but HQ said symptomatic and seemed very firm. Common sense would say they must have been symptomatic otherwise they wouldn't have been tested (given they are not linked to any other cases). Dr H might have meant to say symptomatic. Edited February 27, 2021 by Happier diner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I can't help but think HQ has built a huge narrative around us being 'COVID-19 free'. The government under his direction are encouraging and advertising new business and residents to relocate here. HQ appeared on UK national television advertising our 'COVID-19 free' status. I can't help but think HQ may be putting the health of Island residents at risk rather than risk a red face. This is potentially a serious situation. A 'fall out' with an on Island service that could help us manage the pandemic better. A u-turn re the SP. A, 'stay home if you want' comment with no other safety suggestions even though we have community cases with no idea where they have come from and, more importantly, where they have spread to. Am I the only one to wonder if our CM's ego is seriously interfering in his ability to act in our best interests rather than the interests of the government? In the small fish bowl that is Manx Forums, you are probably ok with that thought. In the real world though, you are a fish out of water. Just saying for reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Do we have an advisory committee and who are they? Just to take the foot off the DA and HQ bashing pedal, wouldn't it be really helpful for them to have an expert AC that could be a good sounding board? It would take the pressure off and introduce new ideas and approaches? Yes there’s an advisory board and questions were asked as to what advice had been provided in January Tynwald, Ashie was asked to publish by end February but managed to get votes to delay until March Tynwald. Not sure why the reluctance to publish advice other than something to hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Max Power said: It seems everyone wants to be treated like a stupid child. We've been told what's happening and the suggested actions to be taken to minimise risk until they have more information. I'm sure we are becoming a race of helpless dummies who can't make a sensible decision to save our lives, literally! The laws are made to take account of the lowest common denominator. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Apparently front porch still open & a friend told me his neighbor is cracking on with his 50ty with about 30/40 attending at house. incidentally what happens with hotels as I know Comis have a number of staycation guests and will be expecting dinner, can hardly kick them out!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, John Wright said: I’m not too sure what genomics would tell us about these 2 cases that would inform the lock down decision. Its either from the Steam Packet case, but at two or three removed, ie transmissions, so there’s no overlap of risky places, or it’s a case that’s got in undetected, or been passed around asymptomatically since New Year. Either way it’s unexplained transmission, in the community, and it’ll have been around a few days, maybe more. These two cases are unlikely to have been asymptomatic. Because they aren’t day 1, 6/7 and 13 or track and trace tests. So they’ve probably higher viral load. Something prompted them to get tested. We should have had a roadmap and regs ready just for this. Genomics would definitively link the (so far) unlinked cases to the current cluster and help to find missing links. and follow those up or correct previous faulty information. Alternatively they would show a completely new infection and could be followed up in a different manner. But you're right that the astonishing thing here is the unpreparedness. Not just regarding legal matters, but for example in providing extra testing facilities and so on and having a communications strategy that extends beyond "Don't you worry your pretty little head about this". You know they will have had endless meetings about such things, but every new cluster seems to come as a shock - even though they've gone through the same thing the previous month. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Utah 01 said: 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Pubs seem to closing voluntarily...4pm and 6pm depending whose they are. Why? They saw you coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, Roger Mexico said: Genomics would definitively link the (so far) unlinked cases to the current cluster and help to find missing links. and follow those up or correct previous faulty information. Alternatively they would show a completely new infection and could be followed up in a different manner. But you're right that the astonishing thing here is the unpreparedness. Not just regarding legal matters, but for example in providing extra testing facilities and so on and having a communications strategy that extends beyond "Don't you worry your pretty little head about this". You know they will have had endless meetings about such things, but every new cluster seems to come as a shock - even though they've gone through the same thing the previous month. I agree that genomics would prove a link, or not, but I don’t think it would inform the decision to lock down. All it might do, in the circumstances that it’s 2 or 3 transmissions along from the index SPCo case is allow the daft suggestion that its part of the cluster and thus NOT community transmission. That then allows no lockdown and no action or other measures to be justified. They're non explained cases. They should be treated as community transmissions until proved otherwise. That doesn’t mean automatic lock down. Certainly not for 3 weeks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Banker said: Apparently front porch still open & a friend told me his neighbor is cracking on with his 50ty with about 30/40 attending at house. incidentally what happens with hotels as I know Comis have a number of staycation guests and will be expecting dinner, can hardly kick them out!! Front porch were closing at 6pm according to their facebook post 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, thommo2010 said: Front porch were closing at 6pm according to their facebook post No, he meant his front porch. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Banker said: Apparently front porch still open & a friend told me his neighbor is cracking on with his 50ty with about 30/40 attending at house. incidentally what happens with hotels as I know Comis have a number of staycation guests and will be expecting dinner, can hardly kick them out!! The Palace have kicked people out apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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