Roger Mexico Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, John Wright said: I agree that genomics would prove a link, or not, but I don’t think it would inform the decision to lock down. All it might do, in the circumstances that it’s 2 or 3 transmissions along from the index SPCo case is allow the daft suggestion that its part of the cluster and thus NOT community transmission. That then allows no lockdown and no action or other measures to be justified. They're non explained cases. They should be treated as community transmissions until proved otherwise. That doesn’t mean automatic lock down. Certainly not for 3 weeks. It's that it might tie to specific cases in the cluster and you then re-examine the itineraries of those involved to see where the actual contact might have been, trace other contacts and so on. Things are more under control. Alternatively it might show no link to any of them and you panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gladys said: No, he meant his front porch. The way it's going our front porch will be the only place we can drink haha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: It's that it might tie to specific cases in the cluster and you then re-examine the itineraries of those involved to see where the actual contact might have been, trace other contacts and so on. Things are more under control. Alternatively it might show no link to any of them and you panic. I think they're panicking enough already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Banker said: You don’t suggest bars etc shut and then offer no support as it’s taxpayers money!!! It will be interesting to see if all these hospitality company’s apparent sense of social responsibility changes when they realize that they’ll get sod all from government for their efforts in closing? Although I imagine the brewery feels it’s on firm ground to bully them into paying up for following ‘voluntary’ advice to close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, John Wright said: I agree that genomics would prove a link, or not, but I don’t think it would inform the decision to lock down. All it might do, in the circumstances that it’s 2 or 3 transmissions along from the index SPCo case is allow the daft suggestion that its part of the cluster and thus NOT community transmission. That then allows no lockdown and no action or other measures to be justified. They're non explained cases. They should be treated as community transmissions until proved otherwise. That doesn’t mean automatic lock down. Certainly not for 3 weeks. This is the New Zealand approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: The way it's going our front porch will be the only place we can drink haha Tomorrow will be one full fat and one semi skimmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Tomorrow will be one full fat and one semi skimmed Is that a euphemism for Howie and Ashie? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just now, finlo said: Is that a euphemism for Howie and Ashie? Ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, CowMan said: It will be interesting to see if all these hospitality company’s apparent sense of social responsibility changes when they realize that they’ll get sod all from government for their efforts in closing? Although I imagine the brewery feels it’s on firm ground to bully them into paying up for following ‘voluntary’ advice to close. The realisation that the government would not be giving any assistance played no part in our business decision. All you can hope for is that suppliers understand the situation. From our perspective, they have but that will only last to a point. Everybody wants paying 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Things must have changed. I've directed you to this tweet before now, I'm almost certain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Peter Layman said: The realisation that the government would not be giving any assistance played no part in our business decision. All you can hope for is that suppliers understand the situation. From our perspective, they have but that will only last to a point. Everybody wants paying That’s a strange reply really. As what I seemed to hear was a millionaire paid £80k a year by the taxpayer tell many people on £8.50 an hour that they won’t get paid this weekend if the companies they work for decide to voluntarily not need their services following an government announcement to stay at home that has no validity in law. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, John Wright said: I agree that genomics would prove a link, or not, but I don’t think it would inform the decision to lock down. All it might do, in the circumstances that it’s 2 or 3 transmissions along from the index SPCo case is allow the daft suggestion that its part of the cluster and thus NOT community transmission. That then allows no lockdown and no action or other measures to be justified. They're non explained cases. They should be treated as community transmissions until proved otherwise. That doesn’t mean automatic lock down. Certainly not for 3 weeks. The circumstances around that link will inform whether there is a lockdown. By the IOMG's own definition, we worry when there are cases with unexplained links. If genomics can explain those links, the situation may not be as bad as first thought. Unexplained links were the criteria for going into and coming out of lockdown last time. If it can't explain the links, or suggests a chain of multiple transmission, we know we need to make more significant changes to our current approach. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, slinkydevil said: And you are a moderator ? Edited February 27, 2021 by dilligaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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