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36 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Yes true. In his defence though he did say there would be a decision either way tomorrow. Maybe we can forgive him, or give him a chance for 24hrs. 

Then we can slate him:D

All I’m really pointing out is that it seems to be all about trying to fight off the constant public battering demanding lockdowns. If you want people to stop work (that’s a lockdown) then you need to pay them to not work otherwise it’s not going to work. It’s clear H&B are now shutting their pubs because there’s going to be a lot less people out regardless so it might not be worth opening now. And all it seems to me that we’ve done now is screw over a load of minimum wage pub and restaurant workers who will have been sent home tonight as they are not required and who government now seems to expect to go and sit at home for nothing. While all of the people who have made this decision still get paid. 

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16 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

 Didnt they get these positive results this morning which mean your genomic sequencing would be available tomorrow at lunchtime (outline results) and Monday morning for  complete report. 

Well unless it was a very strange coincidence, that 3FM comment last night suggests they knew then.  Maybe they wanted to to redo the test to check, but that means they lied in the figures they put out yesterday. 

But with a 'community' positive test (or maybe two) yesterday, they could have had a sequence by now.  And if they had been sequencing all positive cases in the latest cluster, they might have been able to link it with some of those.  Or not (which would be a worry).  Or they mighty decide that even if the route of spread was known there were too many cases and contacts.

The point is they would have the information to act on, rather than dithering and vaguely suggesting and hoping things would miraculously get better.

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2 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

I find it incredible that HQ said one of the reasons they were not implementing a formal lock down or closure of some establishments today was because of a lack of laws in place to allow this at short notice.

WTAF! Could they not have seen this being needed at some point?

I can't help but think HQ has built a huge narrative around us being 'COVID-19 free'. The government under his direction are encouraging and advertising new business and residents to relocate here. HQ appeared on UK national television advertising our 'COVID-19 free' status.

I can't help but think HQ may be putting the health of Island residents at risk rather than risk a red face.

This is potentially a serious situation.

A 'fall out' with an on Island service that could help us manage the pandemic better.

A u-turn re the SP.

A, 'stay home if you want' comment with no other safety suggestions even though we have community cases with no idea where they have come from and, more importantly, where they have spread to.

Am I the only one to wonder if our CM's ego is seriously interfering in his ability to act in our best interests rather than the interests of the government?

 

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The point is they would have the information to act on, rather than dithering and vaguely suggesting and hoping things would miraculously get better.

I have in my mind, right now, a small child, standing with their hands over their eyes playing hide-and-seek, thinking the seeker cannot see them.

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Difficult to fathom which way the COMIN and Howie are going on this outbreak.  Do we know what strain the SP cluster is - was it ascertained in the mid week briefing.  This is surely relevant data when coming to a considered decision, particularly if it is the Kent variant, which is known to be more transmissible and virulent (the relatively large number of positives from people self isolating appear at odds with xmas and new year clusters).  Similarly, what is this data they are waiting for - outstanding tests from close contacts of the two cases -  I was surprised none asked the question.  There does seem a different approach to the January cases.  It would be interesting to know who is involved in the decision making process besides COMIN and Public Health - I suspect t and t have a input but who else - is there another epidemiologist or experts co opted?

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3 hours ago, Banker said:

Well I am and certainly not staying in my house on a lovely sunny day, what idiot thought that advice up?

Luckily luckily, the majority of the great Manx public disagree with you, and are acting responsibly.

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Although not a fan of HQ or his minions I sure wouldn't like to be in their position at the moment. In spite of all the comments and suggested ways forward on the forum I doubt there are many who would actually be able to do much better.

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I’m not too sure what genomics would tell us about these 2 cases that would inform the lock down decision.

Its either from the Steam Packet case, but at two or three removed, ie transmissions, so there’s no overlap of risky places, or it’s a case that’s got in undetected, or been passed around asymptomatically since New Year. Either way it’s unexplained transmission,  in the community, and it’ll have been around a few days, maybe more.

These two cases are unlikely to have been asymptomatic. Because they aren’t day 1, 6/7 and 13 or track and trace tests. So they’ve probably higher viral load. Something prompted them to get tested.

We should have had a roadmap and regs ready just for this.

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4 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Luckily luckily, the majority of the great Manx public disagree with you, and are acting responsibly.

Are they F**k , loads out walking when I was about, plenty had people round in gardens etc , seems only you & Pongo agree with him shafting hospitality sector & workers .

You don’t suggest bars etc shut and then offer no support as it’s taxpayers money!!!

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1 minute ago, John Wright said:

I’m not too sure what genomics would tell us about these 2 cases that would inform the lock down decision.

Its either from the Steam Packet case, but at two or three removed, ie transmissions, so there’s no overlap of risky places, or it’s a case that’s got in undetected, or been passed around asymptomatically since New Year. Either way it’s unexplained transmission,  in the community, and it’ll have been around a few days, maybe more.

These two cases are unlikely to have been asymptomatic. Because they aren’t day 1, 6/7 and 13 or track and trace tests. So they’ve probably higher viral load. Something prompted them to get tested.

We should have had a roadmap and regs ready just for this.

Your a brave man John. There will be a lynching mob out for you now.:D. Might take the heat of me for a bit.

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Do we have an advisory committee and who are they? 

Just to take the foot off the DA and HQ bashing pedal, wouldn't it be really helpful for them to have an expert AC that could be a good sounding board? It would take the pressure off and introduce new ideas and approaches?  

 

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3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

I’m not too sure what genomics would tell us about these 2 cases that would inform the lock down decision.

Its either from the Steam Packet case, but at two or three removed, ie transmissions, so there’s no overlap of risky places, or it’s a case that’s got in undetected, or been passed around asymptomatically since New Year. Either way it’s unexplained transmission,  in the community, and it’ll have been around a few days, maybe more.

These two cases are unlikely to have been asymptomatic. Because they aren’t day 1, 6/7 and 13 or track and trace tests. So they’ve probably higher viral load. Something prompted them to get tested.

We should have had a roadmap and regs ready just for this.

I think they were symptomatic. 

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