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Just now, Happier diner said:

That'll be no, you don't have any proof then

I didn't back any horses, but if you are thick enough to think for 1 minute that on island genomics would have prevented this situation you are even dafter than I previously thought.

The proof I have is in the two sources that have told me, from the horses mouth. Which I obviously can’t prove on here. However, everything else I’ve mentioned has been spot on, as opposed to your ridiculously pathetic moaning about the value of genomics for months. It’s clear that even now, by utilising up to date on island genomic testing would greatly assist in our strategies for preventing the virus from spreading even further. Once again, you fail to grasp the simple realities. 

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Just now, manxst said:

The proof I have is in the two sources that have told me, from the horses mouth. Which I obviously can’t prove on here. However, everything else I’ve mentioned has been spot on, as opposed to your ridiculously pathetic moaning about the value of genomics for months. It’s clear that even now, by utilising up to date on island genomic testing would greatly assist in our strategies for preventing the virus from spreading even further. Once again, you fail to grasp the simple realities. 

I would never believe a horse. I would never believe a 'source' either. Good job the pubs are shut. might reduce the nonsense and the bandwagons that people like you can't stop jumping on.

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Just now, Happier diner said:

Ha Ha. Good one. They'll have to isolate for 2 weeks when they go back to the UK from here though.

It was a serious question.  Whats the justification now for not letting people visit, especially if they are vaccinated.

Peoples mental health is taking a hammering with another lockdown.  What is the harm in letting them see some family members they haven't seen for over a year 

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1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said:

It was a serious question.  Whats the justification now for not letting people visit, especially if they are vaccinated.

Peoples mental health is taking a hammering with another lockdown.  What is the harm in letting them see some family members they haven't seen for over a year 

Death? You realise that vaccinated people can still transmit the virus?

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Just now, horatiotheturd said:

It was a serious question.  Whats the justification now for not letting people visit, especially if they are vaccinated.

Peoples mental health is taking a hammering with another lockdown.  What is the harm in letting them see some family members they haven't seen for over a year 

There isn't a justification is there. If family want to come here and observe our lockdown conditions they present no more risk than we currently face.

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Just now, horatiotheturd said:

It was a serious question.  Whats the justification now for not letting people visit, especially if they are vaccinated.

Peoples mental health is taking a hammering with another lockdown.  What is the harm in letting them see some family members they haven't seen for over a year 

Well, they wouldn't be allowed to see you anyway, no mixing of households at the moment.

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Just now, GD4ELI said:

Death?

What?  On what grounds?

A vaccinated person from the UK who wants to come and see family, will isolate for two weeks, do three tests, and then move in with relatives.  

Its no more risk than most of what we are doing

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1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said:

It was a serious question.  Whats the justification now for not letting people visit, especially if they are vaccinated.

Peoples mental health is taking a hammering with another lockdown.  What is the harm in letting them see some family members they haven't seen for over a year 

It's a really dumb suggestion, even by your standards.

Why would you want to put further stress on already stretched resources? Some of you lot are like 5th Columnists.

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8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

That'll be no, you don't have any proof then

I didn't back any horses, but if you are thick enough to think for 1 minute that on island genomics would have prevented this situation you are even dafter than I previously thought.

Well, genomics identifies transmission pathways contact tracing can't.

We are in a lockdown because unidentified pathways got out of control.

Realistically, surveillance testing and genomics, as called for by a prominent microbiologist on the island, could have averted, or at least somewhat mitigated the current situation.

We certainly wouldn't be any worse off.

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2 minutes ago, pongo said:

It's a really dumb suggestion, even by your standards.

Why would you want to put further stress on already stretched resources? Some of you lot are like 5th Columnists.

Have you looked at figures in the UK lately?  They are really low.  Nearly everywhere has lower rates than we will have in a couple of hours.

There is zero additional risk to the island in allowing relatives to visit in a controlled way.

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13 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I would never believe a horse. I would never believe a 'source' either. Good job the pubs are shut. might reduce the nonsense and the bandwagons that people like you can't stop jumping on.

The ‘bandwagons’ (read: things that SHOULD have happened to prevent the calamitous state the island now finds itself in) that have been proved right. As opposed to your opinion which wasn’t. Yawn. Won’t reply again, as I’m sure people have better things to do than see us argue and you being wrong again. 
for info, my ‘sources’ are middle management DOI who I work directly with. Not from the pub or from your fantasy land from where your rationale and arguments come from. 

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Just now, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Well, genomics identifies transmission pathways contact tracing can't.

We are in a lockdown because unidentified pathways got out of control.

The virus doesn't care whether the pathways are known or unknown. 

We face the current situation because there was not a lockdown as soon as it was known that any infected person had been out spreading it.

 

1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said:

There is zero additional risk to the island in allowing relatives to visit in a controlled way.

Control requires resources. Resources are stretched.

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2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Well, genomics identifies transmission pathways contact tracing can't.

We are in a lockdown because unidentified pathways got out of control.

Realistically, surveillance testing and genomics, as called for by a prominent microbiologist on the island, could have averted, or at least somewhat mitigated the current situation.

We certainly wouldn't be any worse off.

We wouldn't be worse off no. That's true. I have said it a million times that I do not underestimate the power of such science.

However the outbreak we have at the moment,  IMHO seems to be that someone has got off the boat. They are infected. They have gone shopping, for coffee, to the pub, to the hairdressers and been having a good old time for a couple of days until WHAM, they feel ill and go and get tested. Along the way they have infected other people who 4/5 days later have unwittingly done the same. Exponential spread. The trackers and tracers have valiantly tried to catch all the lines but in reality its all gone wrong right at the start and they never had a chance.

The significance of this is that they have been doing the damage before they even got ill and tested. The horse has well and truly bolted

It makes me realise how lucky we have been that this hasn't happened before. Something Dr H admitted herself.

The genomic sequencing has proved that they are all the same variant and that has been its use.

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