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6 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

I genuinely have no recollection of anyone against pre emptive lockdowns and also wanting to relax borders.

I fear you might be getting confused again?

Those in favour of a sensible border policy were also advocates of short sharp lockdowns.

You're being deliberately obtuse.

With a tighter border policy we could have avoided the past two lockdowns. And yet many argued for a more relaxed border policy - mostly basing their arguments on bogus economics.

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28 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Well, let's say an educated estimate, which is fine, but instead of waffling, why not just say, this figure is at 3.45, there are still x amount of tests to confirm (whatever that really means) and on past experience, it is likely that y% of those will be positive, so we are estimating a daily total of z.

That does beg the question of which test belongs to which day, but it is really easy to be open and it does build confidence. 

As for Dr Ewart, having seen the video, there is the additional context of body language, but the point PM was making remains, if someone is unusually unwell  isn't it better to assume it may be covid and test rather than say, well that would just use up resource, and so really lock down the transmission?  

 

Allegedly Mr Moults friend deliberately misled the 111 operative to get a test. Even although it was positive they should be charged for the test.

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4 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

110 cases today.

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Note that the number of tests and awaiting results is exactly the same, but the number of cases has almost doubled.  There's no way they can pretend this is anything except fiddling the figures - effectively negative results have turned into positive ones.

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25 minutes ago, Manx Yeller said:

Sigh, All I'm simply asking for is an explanation of how they came up with the figure. That's all.

Are you too lazy to listen to the clip that I’ve linked to twice then? If you listen the answer is totally clear and unambiguous and supplied by David Ashford himself. From 39:50 onwards in the above link. 

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4 minutes ago, pongo said:

You're being deliberately obtuse.

With a tighter border policy we could have avoided the past two lockdowns. And yet many argued for a more relaxed border policy - mostly basing their arguments on bogus economics.

That is absolutely not what you stated.

Same as yesterday, and I think the day before (can't be arsed going back to check)

You seem to have a version of past posts in your head that doesn't actually match reality.

Then when you are called out on it rather than quoting anything to verify the stuff you made up, you just leave it until the next time you feel like making some stuff up.

 

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6 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Note that the number of tests and awaiting results is exactly the same, but the number of cases has almost doubled.  There's no way they can pretend this is anything except fiddling the figures - effectively negative results have turned into positive ones.

It isn't unreasonable that they're wanting to validate results that may be positive. My understanding is that negatives are much clearer than potential positives.

10 minutes ago, The Chief said:

Point made, take a 'snapshot' is fucking useless. Note that yesterdays were till 6pm and todays were till 8pm so they still can't get it right.

I don't think that makes as much odds. In an ideal world, they'll be published when the lab has finished with that day's runs.

I think clear communication is what's lacking, and when that gets questioned, the politicians get flustered and flappy, giving us a myriad of excuses. What people want is clear, concise facts and the reasoning behind decisions. Occasionally, the dynamic duo will actually do that, but it's a true rarity.

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2 minutes ago, Major Rushen said:

Allegedly Mr Moults friend deliberately misled the 111 operative to get a test. Even although it was positive they should be charged for the test.

Exactly. If this is true and it wasn’t  an imaginary friend. (PM seems to have a lot of “friends” with experiences that fit in with his particular point of view) then said person has lied about his/ her symptoms. Ethical, either by this person, or Moulton to use such falsehoods to further his agenda.?

 

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1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Exactly. If this is true and it wasn’t  an imaginary friend. (PM seems to have a lot of “friends” with experiences that fit in with his particular point of view) then said person has lied about his/ her symptoms. Ethical, either by this person, or Moulton to use such falsehoods to further his agenda.?

 

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2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

It isn't unreasonable that they're wanting to validate results that may be positive. My understanding is that negatives are much clearer than potential positives.

I don't think that makes as much odds. In an ideal world, they'll be published when the lab has finished with that day's runs.

I think clear communication is what's lacking, and when that gets questioned, the politicians get flustered and flappy, giving us a myriad of excuses. What people want is clear, concise facts and the reasoning behind decisions. Occasionally, the dynamic duo will actually do that, but it's a true rarity.

If the figures were clear and consice and consistent then people wouldn't even care what they were.

The obfuscation makes people think they are hiding stuff.

Be clear and people won't care about the numbers and start to trust you (a little bit)

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Just now, horatiotheturd said:

If the figures were clear and consice and consistent then people wouldn't even care what they were.

The obfuscation makes people think they are hiding stuff.

Be clear and people won't care about the numbers and start to trust you (a little bit)

I think the real question people end up having is not one of conspiracy but of competence. Which could arguably be worse.

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