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In pulling together some earlier points

I think you will find that Dr Couch qualified as psychiatrist and not a psychologist. He then went into tax for one of the big oil companies ending up here as Assessor of Income Tax.

Medics traditionally qualify with two first bachelors degrees (usually medicine and surgery) and given the length of study (5 years) are awarded the honorary title "Dr". Some then do doctorates as shown by the post nominal 'MD' if the doctorate is in medicine or 'PhD' if in another subject. Some do academic endeavours outside of medicine and can get PhDs too as Dr Ewart has! Some medics on retiring, and removing themselves from the GMC register, (as registration costs) cease using the title "Dr" but others retain it. Dr Couch does not appear on the GMC register but has kept the title.

Dentists, who study usually for the first two years of their 5 year degree alongside medics and then specialise 'above the neck' traditionally were not given the honorary title 'Doctor' until a few years ago when as I recall, they complained to some EU Board who considered the medical qualification equivalence of EU member states so that clinicians could work in other EU countries without having to take additional exams (unlike the USA where medics can be qualified in one state but not the adjacent one!). As many EU countries called their dentists "Dr" similar to the medics, UK dentists were allowed to use the title without further qualification, training or study. This is why IOM dentists can call themselves 'Dr'.

Psychologists on graduating are not called 'Dr' (unless they do a post graduate qualification at doctorate level) but on becoming professionally qualified (ie experience plus relevant experience and  CPD) can apply, are vetted and interviewed, and if approved can become Chartered Psychologists. This is their professional qualification and is in keeping with Chartered Accountants, Chartered Engineers etc and as with most other professions, are required to undertake CPD activities which are monitored for suitability, have a code of ethics and their names on a public register. 

As to Directors of Public Health (affectionately known in some quarters as 'The Drains Doctors' after the findings of the 1980 'Black Report' which stated the importance of good housing and sanitation in keeping populations healthy) do not need to be medics, though many are. You can become a Director of Public Health with a Masters Degree (usually in Public Health) but also have to have considerable relevant training as one IOM Director of Environmental Health with a Masters in Public Health frequently would tell anyone who would listen! Pub Health Doctors expertise is the health of populations whereas the hospital doctors /GPs specialise in individuals and their health. 

As to IOM CEOs of health service, in the last 25 years, none as I recall have been medically qualified, a couple have had first degrees but not in health, and one a HND and a certificate in management for attending a one week's course at the Kennedy School of Management, Harvard.

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26 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Ok but whilst this forum might seem small it can be read by anyone, at any time and if it’s talked about here then it’s going to get talked about elsewhere. My only concern was the risk of the data/samples being compromised.

I wouldn't worry too much. Any samples sent to Liverpool for sequencing as part of the COG-UK project will *have* to become open access over the next couple of months as it's a key part of taking part in the research project. At the moment COG-UK have got an issue with IoM/Guernsey/Jersey samples not being geographically linked to those locations so the difficulty in getting the data is likely to be on the COG-UK side of things, rather than IoM Gov. 

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1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

A professional lifetime working on the design etc ...

That long post seems more about you than it is about Dr Ewart.

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2 hours ago, Zarley said:

will engage in knee-jerkery of the highest order

You are probably 100% correct; after self-preservation it is the politician's next autonomic response to anything that is beyond their ability to understand.  It's endemic in the 'political class'.

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3 hours ago, The Chief said:

if todays news doesn't wake a few people up it bloody should do. This thing still has sting in it's tail.

But then nobody knows the full details yet do they so no need to panic unnecessarily. Three of Jerseys deaths were over 100 years old. 

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13 minutes ago, Galen said:

In pulling together some earlier points

I think you will find that Dr Couch qualified as psychiatrist and not a psychologist. He then went into tax for one of the big oil companies ending up here as Assessor of Income Tax.

 

He was actually a GP. 

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13 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said:

So they are working on a percentage when they say the numbers are dropping?

They are basing it entirely on the headline numbers and as John pointed out the percentage of tests that are positive has remained constant and very high by international standards.  Unless we know the mix of tests and whether it remains constant, there's no way of telling if the figures indicate a lessening of the epidemic.  Judging by the rest of the briefing I think they were just fumbling around for 'good' news and would distort things until they looked mildly hopeful.  You saw the same thing in the claim that active cases would start to drop because of recoveries.  Unless new cases suddenly stop altogether, that's not mathematically possible.

They stopped publishing the breakdown of new cases over a week ago, but Ewart mentioned figures for current active cases in the briefing yesterday.  She said 448 were from known contacts, but a massive 143 were from unknown sources. The balance  of 53 were presumably mostly from Wednesday and there hadn't yet been the time to work on them. 

Ewart claimed that the percentage of unknown sources was dropping, but that is pretty much automatic in any outbreak where you are operating tracing.  Given how much transmission in this outbreak has been in households, to have such a high number of unknowns suggests things are still very out of control.

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4 minutes ago, CowMan said:

But then nobody knows the full details yet do they so no need to panic unnecessarily. Three of Jerseys deaths were over 100 years old. 

"It's ok they died cos they were already old"

"Its ok they died cos they were already ill"

"its ok they killed themselves cos they were already depressed"

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38 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

Of course it's tasteless - it's the product of IOM 'Newspapers'.

It's also not "the full story" as it's just a repeat of the minimal IOM Government press release with no extra information.

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32 minutes ago, Gladys said:

For a split second, I was bursting with pride, then read that bit!:rolleyes:

That did actually properly make me laugh out loud. I’ve just lost one of the cats. 

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4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

"It's ok they died cos they were already old"

"Its ok they died cos they were already ill"

"its ok they killed themselves cos they were already depressed"

Where do I say anything is ok? Clearly if they were elderly then no matter how sad the event is there’s no need for mass public panic is there? Those trying to whip it up already to try to scare others have no context to anything so maybe wait to get the full facts later? 

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16 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

You saw the same thing in the claim that active cases would start to drop because of recoveries.  Unless new cases suddenly stop altogether, that's not mathematically possible.

I don't quite follow the logic of that. If there are more cases who are deemed recovered than new cases on any particular day, then surely the number of active cases must drop that day?

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