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53 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

The lockdown has done that.

I don't think you are wholly right. The rest of Europe including those locked down, are not seeing the drop that the UK is. Too early to say but the signs are encouraging.

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1 hour ago, Cassie2 said:

The answer Terry is 'In any world except yours''. People need TWO doses of Pfizer or Oxford. They are administered now 10 weeks apart here. In no way can that be done by the end of May for the over 60s when the letters are actually only going out in the week ending 26 March!

Also, some weeks are needed for these two vaccines to be at their maximum effectiveness AFTER the vaccinations (which as everyone knows is around 95% at the very best)

I’m now at the stage where I’m wondering not to take the vaccine now but wait until they’ve got enough stock to give it at the recommended interval.

In the meantime I’ll stay home. It’s what I do anyway. Life’s not much different for me in lockdown. Only the absence of lovely visitors, but then they do that all by video calls now.  I have a small schedule. 

This way too it leaves another jab for all you boys who want to go to England and stuff. 

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18 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

Ive just come from town. M and s and dealz are heaving.  

Parliament St in Ramsey busy too, people everywhere, Farmer's Market on at the Courthouse (albeit with distancing in queueing), parking spaces in street all full, Costa open for "essential" takeaways, other various shops open too. Not much evidence of a "lockdown" IMHO.

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Just now, Non-Believer said:

Parliament St in Ramsey busy too, people everywhere, Farmer's Market on at the Courthouse (albeit with distancing in queueing), parking spaces in street all full, Costa open for "essential" takeaways, other various shops open too. Not much evidence of a "lockdown" IMHO.

Sadness and despair. 

Again.

Two days running. 

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6 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I don't think you are wholly right. The rest of Europe including those locked down, are not seeing the drop that the UK is. Too early to say but the signs are encouraging.

Maybe not wholly, but substantially. The vaccines will have an effect keeping things down and will improve the situation as time goes by, but the major drop post new year has been the stricter and better complied with lockdown. 

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8 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

I’m now at the stage where I’m wondering not to take the vaccine now but wait until they’ve got enough stock to give it at the recommended interval.

 

They have enough to give it at the recommended interval.  Otherwise you wouldn't be getting it.

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1 minute ago, Major Rushen said:

Good to see that in England the schools are not getting infections. Any idea why?

Are they not? 

I can't be bothered going back and finding some of what I read last week, but there have been  fair few problems. One of the main complaints I read about was the policy of sending a whole class home to isolate when a kid tested positive with a lateral flow test, and then keeping them off when later testing negative on PCR. That is clearly going to have to change. 

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

 

Also CM says it’s been well received, well received by whom ? I don’t know anyone who thinks it’s any good 

Well, the sycophants in the cabal that surround him probably told him it was great.

In wider population, view seem to vary from indifference (at best) to despair and derision, at the other end of the spectrum.

Hopefully, Tynwald will reject it this week, and will demand something better. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Cassie2 said:

You are making that up (''.....and also in stopping spread of virus''). I hope that you are a better Banker than a false Scientist. The infectiousness of someone who has been vaccinated and gets the virus (asymptomatically or with symptoms) is not yet known although the signs are encouraging that the Pfizer, Oxford and Moderna ones will reduce the transmission / infectiousness rates TO SOME EXTENT. The top insiders have speculated that this will only be between 30% and a possible maximum of 70%.

Only as vaccination rates become higher will researchers be able to try and discern the effect on infection and transmission patterns, although it can be difficult to distinguish the impact of inoculations from that of measures such as lockdowns, distancing and mask mandates. The completion of the vaccine trials testing for asymptomatic infections will bring additional information. Two trials are expected to finish in April. However, one is of a vaccine from China’s Sinovac Biotech Ltd., which has a reported efficacy rate as low as 50% against symptomatic disease. The other test is the Russian Gamaleya Research Institute’s shot, whose efficacy rate was 92% in clinical trials but it’s only a small study.

September should bring the completion of sizeable trials of some highly efficacious vaccines. But results for the shots that have proved most effective at preventing disease (around 95%) from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech aren’t expected until October 2022 and January 2023, respectively.

You are obviously desperate to travel and / or to have more people allowed into the island and I have great sympathy with that as I usually travel umpteen times each year and across the globe.

Both the goals mentioned are possible right now under certain restrictions which you wish to have removed.

But for goodness sake do not expect anyone to pay any heed to made-up factually wrong nonsense from you in considering when it is sufficiently safe, right and proper to ease restrictions. 

Realistically, we're getting to the point where the vaccine is the best we'll get either way. We protect the vulnerable and wider community as best we can, then crack on. We can't stay like this for years, to only find out that we could've opened up anyway.

Whilst the efficacity of reducing transmission is debated, it looks like it can reduce your risk of hospitalisation by up to 80% after a single dose, and 85% effective at preventing death after a single dose.

Note that even if you do fall unlucky enough to come down with COVID after your jab, you have a 44% lower risk of hospitalisation, and 55% lower chance of death.

Israel's data is showing 94% reduction in symptomatic covid and 92% reduction in severe disease from 7 days onwards.

If you keep reading, lots of new evidence suggesting that asymptomatic cases are reduced significantly, as well as transmission.

https://www.gponline.com/know-effectiveness-covid-19-vaccines/article/1708986

 

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Just now, TheTeapot said:

Are they not? 

I can't be bothered going back and finding some of what I read last week, but there have been  fair few problems. One of the main complaints I read about was the policy of sending a whole class home to isolate when a kid tested positive with a lateral flow test, and then keeping them off when later testing negative on PCR. That is clearly going to have to change. 

This. I was reading about several schools in Greater Manchester that have a number of years off now.

The lateral flow tests are causing problems because it's a pretty good safety net, but throws up way too many false positives, causing full years to self isolate.

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11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Parliament St in Ramsey busy too, people everywhere, Farmer's Market on at the Courthouse (albeit with distancing in queueing), parking spaces in street all full, Costa open for "essential" takeaways, other various shops open too. Not much evidence of a "lockdown" IMHO.

People want to live their lives. Shocker. 

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