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1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said:

No she talks about the letter

It was without doubt that sooner or later you in particular would show up on here to deflect. Brown-nosing about a blameless administration, all conscience-free and above board...

Even you must realise that all Ashford did was to wave a piece of paper and recite the alleged wording from that piece of paper, claiming it as gospel and proof of existence and unquestionable veracity. Were it a court of law that sort of behaviour would amount to hearsay, would hold no water, be inadmissible without proof of issue and issuer and would be laughed out of court.

2 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

You just seem to be purposely obfuscating the matter to move the focus on to the letter and away from the rest of the cluster fuck.

Exactly... 

 

1 minute ago, Gladys said:

Easy mistake I suppose, but there is a  pretty fundamental difference between the two.  A bit like whether someone is a contractor or employee, or what the directions mean for SP staff, or what is a travel, community or unexplained case, or what a bubble means within 24 hours of the announcement.  

Excellent.

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19 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Fair point. Will do. Do you refute Gefs interpretation of events though?

To point you in the right direction...Lettergate starts @93:40 onwards @95:20 RG says 'IF somebody did write a letter...'

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3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Indeed but the expected standard can be high but not infallible.

And I know this is going to attract all sorts of smartarse comments but I think our Government has not done too badly throughout this pandemic.

Well, you are entitled to your view, but in view of the evidence presented today, I would say our government have been extremely lucky. 

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1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said:

As an aside we'll probably not get the Hansard for a couple of weeks.  Committees seem to get lowest priority and they've still got a Tynwald and a Keys to finish from earlier in the month and a Keys and I think a couple of LegCos they haven't even started yet.

Add to that Easter and the Editor having spend her time gardening to keep her husband quiet and you're probably better listening to all 3 hours of it.  And Gef says Rachel has got a lovely voice - what more recommendation do you need.

I listened to most of it.  It was the reference to a transcript being in existence already that I was questioning.

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27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Fair point. Will do. Do you refute Gefs interpretation of events though?

Do you refute Refs interpretation of events? who gives a fuck what Gef has to say. give your head a wobble

 

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1 hour ago, Gladys said:

You take comfort from that?  There was a letter, no one doubted it...

There was a piece of paper, that's all. And the question has to be asked- who else was privy to it and who would testify for instance under oath, to its existence? Otherwise that piece of paper and what was allegedly written on it is meaningless in a legal sense. Any jury under those circumstances would be instructed to ignore it. Dr.G said that once the alleged letter was made public she received began to receive emails from her then colleagues alluding to their shock that such a 'letter' existed.

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Ashford's status has plummeted in my opinion, Quayle is either misinformed or a total knob head, Hettie is commenting on things she knows nothing about, but most sinister of all is Rizwan Khan.

Keep fighting the bastards Rachael.

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Amazingly, in the midst of a Global Health Pandemic our Government still finds the time to make a complete and utter Horlicks of something, and create a rumbling scandal to boot. 

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What is staggering is the refusal to accept any kind of assistance in our armoury and then the seemingly aggressive character assassination that followed.  WTF is going on?  Who has made these decisions and who has turned the Nelsonian eye to it all? As I said, it is all indicative of a deeply corrupt system of governance. By corrupt I mean rotten, festering and incapable of resurrection.  

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Have any MHK's or wannabe MHK's made any comments as a result of today's hearing ? 

 

It's not like its important or anything....

 

Or are they more bothered about dog shit, moving bank holidays and similar bollocks

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1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

All else apart in all this Dr Glover acknowledges in lettergate there was such a letter. Whether Minister Ashford was wise in disclosing its contents is another matter. But it seems to put to bed the accusation that it never existed.

Well, she thinks it was genuine, but has no direct knowledge.

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I would think there will be a good few people looking in the situations vacant column shortly and this includes civil servants as well as polititions. After listening to the whole of Hansard whilst still thinking that the government has handled the whole pandemic in a satisfactory matter I am now left thinking how much professional and academic expertise have we missed out on. This needs to change very quickly.

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