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2 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

For the benefit of the naive who see only good in 'The State' and the 'well, if it makes me safe brigade':

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/state-fear-ministers-used-covert-tactics-keep-scared-public/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1377025&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20210405&utm_campaign=DM1377025

For those who will shout 'conspiracy' (and you know who you are) just lie in the bath and really think about what has gone on in the past year; and if you still believe that politicians everywhere have not been manipulating us, then slide into the bathwater and exhale.  Behavioral 'Scientists' and Sociologists will be teaching this COVID period as the classic population manipulation for decades to come.

Ironic that the Telegraph, one of the scare mongers in chief supporting Brexit propaganda by fact manipulation, should publish this.

Their manipulation over 25+ years, but particularly in the Brexit debate, along with ERG, Mail and Express, will have caused much greater long term harm. 

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2 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

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I hate it chief, and have been pretty clear and consistent in my view that the actions of governments are likely to have far worse consequences than the virus itself.

I don't accept that THEY (the state? all of them? this is a global pandemic) are doing what they are doing because they are just evil or whatever the panic in your mindset is.

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45 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

No new cases again today but tue concluded test number has remained the same for the last two days so who knows what is happening.

Gef’s figures show tests being done. Is the government website incorrect again?

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48 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

No new cases again today but tue concluded test number has remained the same for the last two days so who knows what is happening.

No point celebrating until we know the outcome of this relaxed long weekend, if we still have zero cases next weekend then that will be something to truly celebrate.

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9 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

No new cases again today but tue concluded test number has remained the same for the last two days so who knows what is happening.

I think they just have forgotten to update it on the dashboard.  I use the daily number of total tests (which is now the same as tests concluded) off the Twitter/Facebook posts and they imply 184 tests done today and 193 yesterday.

The problem is that it isn't very many.  When you consider that there are every day a large number of tests books in advance ( 121 and 105 respectively for those two) for those requiring 1/7/13 day tests when isolating or returning from across, and some of these people may manage to get tested on the same day.  And there are normally around 40 or so done for those going into hospital, add in regular testing for Steam Packet staff and so on and it doesn't leave much in the way of people ringing 111 with symptoms.

This is why Ewart was wrong the other day when she claimed that a "falling positive test rate 'shows community cases aren't being missed'".  If most of your test results are of people who ought to be negative anyway or who have already tested positive (so even if they still test positive they won't be a new case), then that doesn't prove anything.  You need to test a lot of people in the community to assure yourself that there is no continuing community spread, not just a few dozen who happen to get past the 111 filte with the 'right' symptoms.

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I’m assuming that because from tomorrow I can go to a garden centre with 9 of my closest friends, the whole stay at home thing is no longer a requirement? A garden centre. Woohoo. I can hardly fucking wait. 

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Considering they have now invited people with no underlying issues and aged 40-50 for vaccinations, would the fact that there are less than 5000 booked in for the next 7 days (first and second doses) suggest a slow down in uptake or a slow down in allocating appointments and actually giving the jabs?

 

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3 minutes ago, Itsmeee said:

I’m assuming that because from tomorrow I can go to a garden centre with 9 of my closest friends, the whole stay at home thing is no longer a requirement? A garden centre. Woohoo. I can hardly fucking wait. 

Have a tweet:

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To be fair to garden centres, I would imagine this is their busiest time of year and they have been royally mucked about by the government of these three lockdown with varying instructions on if and how they can open.

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9 minutes ago, Itsmeee said:

I’m assuming that because from tomorrow I can go to a garden centre with 9 of my closest friends, the whole stay at home thing is no longer a requirement? A garden centre. Woohoo. I can hardly fucking wait. 

And to work on construction sites😂

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8 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Considering they have now invited people with no underlying issues and aged 40-50 for vaccinations, would the fact that there are less than 5000 booked in for the next 7 days (first and second doses) suggest a slow down in uptake or a slow down in allocating appointments and actually giving the jabs?

 

Eh? 

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23 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

evidenced in this article

The Telegraph article is behind a paywall so I am afraid non-Telegraph subscriber's can not read it without registering.

Personally, I do not believe our shower could spell conspiracy, let alone create one. That being said, it is quite apparent that behavioural 'nudge' techniques and some blatant propaganda have been used to gain acceptance for whatever policy direction they have chosen on any given day.

The frustrating thing from my point of view is that all of those in power, who are largely comfortable off, middle class and middle aged, seem to have forgotten what it is like to be 20-30yrs old and from a working class background, so rather than coming up with imaginative, nuanced and targeted approaches (assuming they exist, maybe they don't???), have in my opinion just copied each other and applied Chemo to the Covid patient. Whilst being reasonably effective in subduing the virus, the short/medium term collateral damage to everything else, including our liberties has been catastrophic. 

As for outside non-governmental powers, again I do not see any over arching conspiracy, however as Teapot says, there are plenty of opportunists out there who will gladly part a fool government from their money.

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21 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I think they just have forgotten to update it on the dashboard.  I use the daily number of total tests (which is now the same as tests concluded) off the Twitter/Facebook posts and they imply 184 tests done today and 193 yesterday.

The problem is that it isn't very many.  When you consider that there are every day a large number of tests books in advance ( 121 and 105 respectively for those two) for those requiring 1/7/13 day tests when isolating or returning from across, and some of these people may manage to get tested on the same day.  And there are normally around 40 or so done for those going into hospital, add in regular testing for Steam Packet staff and so on and it doesn't leave much in the way of people ringing 111 with symptoms.

This is why Ewart was wrong the other day when she claimed that a "falling positive test rate 'shows community cases aren't being missed'".  If most of your test results are of people who ought to be negative anyway or who have already tested positive (so even if they still test positive they won't be a new case), then that doesn't prove anything.  You need to test a lot of people in the community to assure yourself that there is no continuing community spread, not just a few dozen who happen to get past the 111 filte with the 'right' symptoms.

How would you test people in the community though. I wouldn't be volunteering to have a swab stuck up my nose for free. 

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7 minutes ago, Out of the blue said:

The Telegraph article is behind a paywall so I am afraid non-Telegraph subscriber's can not read it without registering.

 

I you turn javascript off and refresh you get round the paywall. You can do this in your browser settings or if you've any sense with with the ublock extension.

Edit - to help out though, anyone who wants to read it without doing that you can read it here paywall free at this archive link 

https://web.archive.org/web/20210405161719/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/state-fear-ministers-used-covert-tactics-keep-scared-public/

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18 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Eh? 

We can do 1500 a day.

There is an average of less than half that booked in for the next 7 days.

I assume they send out invitations at the same rate as they can jab.

Does the lower number of people booked in mean a lower percentage of those being invited are taking up the offer because they are younger healthy, and are thinking they don't need it?

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