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I'm beginning to think there is no plan.

 

The whole point of the restrictions and lockdowns were to stop the hospital being overwhelmed.

 

Here we are with 1 person in hospital (who may or may not be in being treated for covid) which has been the case for the last 5 days. 60% of the adult population with a vaccine, the most at risk groups vaccinated and we have to wait another week for our kids to go back to school and no doubt even longer than that for hospitality to open.

 

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7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Possibly, but for a week?  

To be honest I wouldn't like to see them open up too much too soon and then put us back into not knowing where this thing is coming from. T and T staff will benefit from a bit of a break no doubt as well.

I am not saying they have managed the whole shebang well (because they haven't) but I want to get out of this groundhog day scenario as soon a possible now. 

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6 minutes ago, Apple said:

To be honest I wouldn't like to see them open up too much too soon and then put us back into not knowing where this thing is coming from. T and T staff will benefit from a bit of a break no doubt as well.

I am not saying they have managed the whole shebang well (because they haven't) but I want to get out of this groundhog day scenario as soon a possible now. 

Absolutely agree, just trying to understand why hardware and not, say, bookshops, given B&Q and builders merchants have been open.  I suppose it keeps people out of Strand Street, which might be the plan.  

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9 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

I'm beginning to think there is no plan.

 

The whole point of the restrictions and lockdowns were to stop the hospital being overwhelmed.

 

Here we are with 1 person in hospital (who may or may not be in being treated for covid) which has been the case for the last 5 days. 60% of the adult population with a vaccine, the most at risk groups vaccinated and we have to wait another week for our kids to go back to school and no doubt even longer than that for hospitality to open.

 

Many weeks ago I did predict the first week in May before we can go to the boozer!

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11 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Trying to get my head round your last sentence Gladys.

I listened to it and my understanding was that DA said if you choose not to have the vaccine and subsequently want to do so you rejoin the queue. Seems fair enough to me.

 

PM pressed him if that meant going to the bottom of the queue, rather than back to where they left the queue.

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4 hours ago, Manx Yeller said:

The whole "there's no evidence of blood clots with the 2nd dose" I would have thought that the vast majority of AZ jabs were first doses at the moment? So whilst it's likely to be a true statement, would suggest it's slightly misleading....

It’s a fair point you make, but I don’t think it’s misleading to say no evidence of blood clots for 2nd dose.  

I’ve thought about this a bit - my daughter is in the relevant age category and has had her first dose. It makes sense to me that these cases of cerebral sinus thrombosis are going to be an idiosyncratic reaction to the vaccine - that is to say an unusual and unexpected reaction based on there being something ‘odd’ with how the few recipients it’s affected react, rather than an immunological phenomenon that could be worse second time. Basically if you didn’t react first time you won’t second time. And that’s if it is actually connected with the vaccine at all, which is not yet certain. 
 

When she asks me if she should have her second dose I’ll say go for it. 

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17 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

Here we are with 1 person in hospital (who may or may not be in being treated for covid) which has been the case for the last 5 days. 60% of the adult population with a vaccine, the most at risk groups vaccinated and we have to wait another week for our kids to go back to school and no doubt even longer than that for hospitality to open.

But it only took less than two weeks to go from 2 people in hospital to 23.  And we know that most of those who contracted the disease were too young to be vaccinated.  Of the 1138 positive cases since 15 February, only 56 were 65 or over and some of even that age group will have been vaccinated very recently and had no time to develop any immunity, never mind the reduced one from just one jab.

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17 minutes ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

They don’t give rationale to anything because there isn’t one.

 

it would be interesting if they published the minutes from the council of ministers 

It may have just been conversational again LOL.

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19 minutes ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

They don’t give rationale to anything because there isn’t one.

 

it would be interesting if they published the minutes from the council of ministers 

This.

It would also help if we had a coherent press who asked intelligent questions.

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26 minutes ago, finlo said:

Many weeks ago I did predict the first week in May before we can go to the boozer!

I think you are correct. In a post earlier this evening, I said that MERA has been extended by a month to the end of May. CM today quoted baby steps when allowing hardware stores etc to open from Monday12th. But then said hopefully everything else open on Monday19th. Having extended MERA by a month, is that really a baby step? No. It is a carrot on the end of a stick. I hope I am wrong, but...........

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23 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Absolutely agree, just trying to understand why hardware and not, say, bookshops, given B&Q and builders merchants have been open.  I suppose it keeps people out of Strand Street, which might be the plan.  

I think it had to do with a belief that people tend to go to hardware stores for semi-essentials and that they just pop in, buy what they want and then get out.  They may also see them as more sparsely populated at any particular time and so there's more space[1].  And because of the overlap with places already open for trade and with garden centres, maybe it's not seen as making much difference.

In the end I suspect they are really making a puritan distinction between places where you might enjoy shopping (bookshops, clothing and footwear) and those where you have to go.

 

[1]  Obviously no one who was ever in the old Ken Quine's would take this seriously.

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8 minutes ago, Cambon said:

I think you are correct. In a post earlier this evening, I said that MERA has been extended by a month to the end of May. CM today quoted baby steps when allowing hardware stores etc to open from Monday12th. But then said hopefully everything else open on Monday19th. Having extended MERA by a month, is that really a baby step? No. It is a carrot on the end of a stick. I hope I am wrong, but...........

MERA is a very small help to the many who are being shafted by this government who have been quick to help the large construction companies.

Its this complete negative backward attitude which is reflected in the piss poor exit strategy which panders to people like you and many other civil service types who get full pay pay no matter what & have most of families here .

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44 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It’s a fair point you make, but I don’t think it’s misleading to say no evidence of blood clots for 2nd dose.  

 

Ham medical question here...aren't glycoproteins a factor in clotting? If the weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein is contained in the jab...well, that suggests to me if you are unfortunate to be one of those one in a hundred thousand disposed to these type of clots and catch covid...covid will cause the same problem at least ten-fold?

ETA: Which would also suggest this is likely to become an issue with most, if not all, of the other vaccines eventually?

 

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