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Could you imagine this happening:-

 

competent journalist - please can you advise when the minutes from the council of ministers when the decisions have been made will be published 

hq- I don’t think the great Manx public have much desire about that, we are taking baby steps

Competent journalist - I think your wrong the great Manx Publix absolutely desire to know what ministers are thinking and the rationale behind it.  You cannot be making decisions for 75k people in secret

hq- these are unprecedented times, I don’t think the great Manx Public would like to know why we think you can go to a fabric shop or b and q and not a normal shop. The evidence is just too complicated 

 

competent journalist - why don’t you try us we are an educated population

hq - let me bring the director of public health in at this stage

 

if I witnessed my head would explode 

 

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6 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Ham medical question here...aren't glycoproteins a factor in clotting? If the weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein is contained in the jab...well, that suggests to me if you are unfortunate to be one of those one in a hundred thousand disposed to these type of clots and catch covid...covid will cause the same problem at least ten-fold?

 

It’s a plausible hypothesis, but doesn’t really explain why the other jabs don’t seem to be doing the same. If it were the spike protein you’d expect the same with Pfizer. I’d guess it’s an odd reaction to something in the AZ preparation, rather than the inactivated virus.  Note the word ‘guess’.

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10 minutes ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

Could you imagine this happening:-

 

competent journalist - please can you advise when the minutes from the council of ministers when the decisions have been made will be published 

hq- I don’t think the great Manx public have much desire about that, we are taking baby steps

Competent journalist - I think your wrong the great Manx Publix absolutely desire to know what ministers are thinking and the rationale behind it.  You cannot be making decisions for 75k people in secret

hq- these are unprecedented times, I don’t think the great Manx Public would like to know why we think you can go to a fabric shop or b and q and not a normal shop. The evidence is just too complicated 

 

competent journalist - why don’t you try us we are an educated population

hq - let me bring the director of public health in at this stage

 

if I witnessed my head would explode 

 

Wasn’t a similar question asked in Tynwald about the minutes of the emergency advisory committee who advise Comin and there were no minutes & no meetings!!

 

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5 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It’s a plausible hypothesis, but doesn’t really explain why the other jabs don’t seem to be doing the same. If it were the spike protein you’d expect the same with Pfizer. I’d guess it’s an odd reaction to something in the AZ preparation, rather than the inactivated virus.  Note the word ‘guess’.

I added an edit above as you were replying: 

ETA: Which would also suggest this is likely to become an issue with most, if not all, of the other vaccines eventually?

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1 hour ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

Could you imagine this happening:-

 

competent journalist - please can you advise when the minutes from the council of ministers when the decisions have been made will be published 

hq- I don’t think the great Manx public have much desire about that, we are taking baby steps

Competent journalist - I think your wrong the great Manx Publix absolutely desire to know what ministers are thinking and the rationale behind it.  You cannot be making decisions for 75k people in secret

hq- these are unprecedented times, I don’t think the great Manx Public would like to know why we think you can go to a fabric shop or b and q and not a normal shop. The evidence is just too complicated 

 

competent journalist - why don’t you try us we are an educated population

hq - let me bring the director of public health in at this stage

 

if I witnessed my head would explode 

 

But comin proceedings are published https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/council-of-ministers/the-council-of-ministers/council-of-ministers-proceedings/

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2 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

The whole point of the restrictions and lockdowns were to stop the hospital being overwhelmed

At last, the penny has dropped!

In fairness to Johnson and Headboy Hancock it was their initial mantra: remember 'Save the NHS' that went on, in very short order, to expose its widespread inefficiencies and lack of preparedness for anything other than 'normal'.  But once the NHS had been saved first time around, other excuses had to be found such as 'foreign strains' and absurd (deceitful) statistics from the SAGE zealots to sustain the fear-factor in the population.

Similarly, it could be argued that a catastrophic failure of our Island system would have ensued had it not been for the first lockdown with an indeterminable load on Nobles - but then is not now. 

The crisis, thanks to vaccination, is over and as I wrote several weeks ago, given that COVID must now be treated like any other potentially dangerous illness for a very, very small percentage of our population, facilities must be put in place to deal with ongoing, although hopefully diminishing with time, CV care in the same manner as cardiac, cancer and mental health has been for decades.

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20 minutes ago, Major Rushen said:

Guernsey- plan for travel vaccinated or not.
 

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That is a brilliant system, and perfect for entry to the IOM. Use a driving licence or utility bill to confirm 'home address' and crack on.

My family in Hampshire have a rate of 10 per 100,000 and haven't heard of anyone that's caught Covid for over a month including all the kids at school. 

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Just now, winnie said:

That is a brilliant system, and perfect for entry to the IOM. Use a driving licence or utility bill to confirm 'home address' and crack on.

My family in Hampshire have a rate of 10 per 100,000 and haven't heard of anyone that's caught Covid for over a month including all the kids at school. 

The hard bit is if the rate at Heysham / Liverpool / point of travel to the island is higher. Most travel to Guernsey from Southampton which is usually lower. 

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29 minutes ago, Major Rushen said:

Guernsey- plan for travel vaccinated or not.
 

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Seems absolutely 100% fair.

Liverpool at 20 per 100,000 as of April 3rd.

The Mary’s will cry but, but, but ... you’ll go from there into higher rate of infection areas and then return carrying the plague.

Or ... it’s all about their tourist sectors!

Or ... we’re all on full wages sat at home doing jack shit & loving life.

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Just now, Major Rushen said:

The hard bit is if the rate at Heysham / Liverpool / point of travel to the island is higher. Most travel to Guernsey from Southampton which is usually lower. 

According to the BBC Southampton is 50 per 100,000 and Liverpool is only 20 per 100,000 so you argument doesn't work.

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10 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

When he says 250k to 1 chance of getting blood clots is that the actual chance of dying as a result or is that just the chance of blood clots occurring? It's just that he also said there's a 35k to one chance of this happening from taking the contraceptive pill. I can't believe that's the chance of actually dying as a result. Or is it?

Ashford should really leave the medical matters to those best qualified.  

10 hours ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

It’s quite clearly not in the community.....again in reality nothing has really changed 

1. Kids of key workers instead of secretly being looked after in the nsc will now go into school

2. B&q which you could shop on line and collect from you can now go into....

3. Teachers go in on Monday to prepare for the next week.....of normal school...pretty sure they don’t get this luxury normally, so you can guarantee there will be next to no home schooling going on.

 

apart from that we are all still stuck in our homes being told it is doing us a favour, and then we are back out like normal from 19th?hmmm I’m not sure keeping us locked away for another 9 days is really going to change the land scape of things it just makes the figures look less....

it’s all granny farming the other day he said non essential shops like fabric shops I can think of two on the island and I don’t think I have ever been to one....so why does he bring that up as a good example?  Because he is pandering to a specific demographic forgetting that he is screwing over the people that will have to pay for it all

Agreed.  muddled thinking with a patchwork of ill informed decisions that make a mockery of the general situation most people find themselves in.

10 hours ago, Gladys said:

Yes, DA said you will not be prioritised if you miss your vax.  PM asked what did that mean, going to the bottom of the list?  In reply, DA said everything except what it meant. 

I found his whole attitude and position re the Astrazenica clotting issue somewhat unsympathetic and unbalanced.

9 hours ago, thommo2010 said:

I'm beginning to think there is no plan.

 

The whole point of the restrictions and lockdowns were to stop the hospital being overwhelmed.

 

Here we are with 1 person in hospital (who may or may not be in being treated for covid) which has been the case for the last 5 days. 60% of the adult population with a vaccine, the most at risk groups vaccinated and we have to wait another week for our kids to go back to school and no doubt even longer than that for hospitality to open.

 

 

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

But it only took less than two weeks to go from 2 people in hospital to 23.  And we know that most of those who contracted the disease were too young to be vaccinated.  Of the 1138 positive cases since 15 February, only 56 were 65 or over and some of even that age group will have been vaccinated very recently and had no time to develop any immunity, never mind the reduced one from just one jab.

And that is the  predicament they find themselves in now.  The under 16's will not be immunised for some time (end of this year at earliest and that is an emotive issue in itself) so the potential for the exponential spread remains - the Kent variant has thrown a cure ball.  So with 60% of Adults (92% of first cohorts) with at least one dose and growing daily, what exactly is Comin's hesitation going forward?  I don't think they know how to mitigate, they want eradication but  so long as the children spreading vector remains and new variants threaten, they are buying time.  Perhaps the question to HQ is what percentage of the adult population has to be jabbed before we mitigate and open up?  I doubt he has an answer.  I recall he stated at the beginning of the latest lockdown that if it had occurred a month or so later their response may have been different.  Well we are passed that timeline and I don't believe their response would have been any different. Worse scenario is we open for a short period and then another unknown new outbreak occurs.  How good the vaccines prove to be can only really be judged in 12 months time. There is a clear lack of strategy as to where we are now and more importantly going forward.

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49 minutes ago, Major Rushen said:

Guernsey- plan for travel vaccinated or not.
 

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Brilliant plan which takes effect 26 April , as Howard said yesterday Guernsey and us have similar thinking so hopefully he will follow their lead as usual  , the usual crew will say well it’s all for tourists but it’s estimated that 75% of travelers will be residents in initial months 

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