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36 minutes ago, Kipper99 said:

Three of the five are alleged to be from Ramsey Fire Station and a well known Ramsey eatery is closed tonight, allegedly for a deep clean.

Well there’s only 2 households involved so if 3 from fire station obviously 2 at least must be related 

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8 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Yes. The USA has done well, by following manufacturers recommended dosage schedule of 3/4 weeks

FFS you’re back on that hobby horse again!! SO are the UK by spreading out to 10/12 weeks!!

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16 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well there’s only 2 households involved so if 3 from fire station obviously 2 at least must be related 

The additional cases appear to be a male 10-14, a female 20-24 and another female 15-19.   That's in addition to the two males (50-54 and 40-44) mentioned earlier.  The youngest is presumable the school pupil, presumably the girl has already left school.

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4 minutes ago, Banker said:

FFS you’re back on that hobby horse again!! SO are the UK by spreading out to 10/12 weeks!!

Only time will tell if the UK are doing well, if we are dong well. As someone posted a page or two ago, one of the people who is rather ill with Covid was vaccinated two weeks ago. If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks. The two don't add up. Single dose can give good efficacy after around 8 weeks. But there is no way it is as high as 80% . If it was, they would not bother with second doses and get those shots out to places like Brazil and India where they are really needed! 

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The fundamental question, and it may not be one there's yet an answer to, is the level at which it can functionally circulate.

It's still easy for entire schools/businesses to be shut down under current rule and regulation. So, do we have an ebb and flow of these closures, or do we let it run through a bit more?

What about someone that's had it, that then gets flagged to isolate? Or someone who has been vaccinated?

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10 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

The fundamental question, and it may not be one there's yet an answer to, is the level at which it can functionally circulate.

It's still easy for entire schools/businesses to be shut down under current rule and regulation. So, do we have an ebb and flow of these closures, or do we let it run through a bit more?

What about someone that's had it, that then gets flagged to isolate? Or someone who has been vaccinated?

Good luck getting a self employed person who is on the brink to isolate with no financial support.

They need to sort that ASAP or people will hide symptoms

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3 hours ago, rachomics said:

That figure really depends on the brand and type of vaccination given? Even with the figure you're quoting that would mean that 20% of the people who have had their first dose have no immunity and they don't know it.

Of course that’s not what it means. In a swabbing study there were only 20% of the number of positive tests in those vaccinated with one dose compared with the unvaccinated group.  It isn’t that 80% are fully covered and 20% not at all.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html

 

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23 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Only time will tell if the UK are doing well, if we are dong well. As someone posted a page or two ago, one of the people who is rather ill with Covid was vaccinated two weeks ago. If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks. The two don't add up. Single dose can give good efficacy after around 8 weeks. But there is no way it is as high as 80% . If it was, they would not bother with second doses and get those shots out to places like Brazil and India where they are really needed! 

The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!!

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6 minutes ago, Banker said:

The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!!

Is that not the point of debate, to question? 

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1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said:

This confused me a bit. If they were at the same station i don't see how they would not link them. Even if on different shifts?

Ramsey is an unmanned station with retained firefighters. There are no shifts as such.

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56 minutes ago, Cambon said:

If as someone else put, efficacy is 80-90% after 4 weeks, one would expect a reasonable amount of protection after 2 weeks

Except that the person would have caught covid a week or so ago in order to be testing positive now. That would only be a week after vaccination, when the level of protection would still be very low. It takes time for immunity to develop after a vaccination - longer than a week.

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48 minutes ago, Banker said:

The person who is ill was a patient transfer so major underlying health issues. Glad that see you have enough knowledge to question CDC findings & a medical opinion!!

So they walked off the plane, out of the airport and into A&E ?

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