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10 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

The question:

"How many people have been admitted for treatment for COVID-19 more than two weeks after having received their first vaccination dose?"

The answer:

"In response to Q55 there have been 2 people admitted for treatment for COVID-19 more than 14 days after their firstdose of the vaccination."

So yes it does highlight the danger.

[...]  this also shows that only 2 out 44 people had not had the vaccine. Which is positive news. 

While you quote correctly from Hooper's Written Question[1] that doesn't imply anything much about the other 42 patients except that they had not had the vaccine up to 14 days before their admission.  But there may be a reason for that.  If you look at the answer to Hooper's previous question asking for "a breakdown of the age profile of individuals admitted to hospital for treatment for COVID-19 during each of the three separate lockdown phases?"[2].  This table has been provided:

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The peak of hospital admissions was on 18 March with 23, so knock off 14 days and roughly you need to look at those who had been vaccinated by the end of February.  At that stage the vast majority of the over-80s and care home residents had been vaccinated with both jabs and 80% of those 75-80 with one, but there was very little coverage of younger age groups[3].

So there might only have been 2 to 6 of those admitted who had had a chance to be vaccinated.  This might be because vaccination was stopping older people catching or at least falling ill with Covid or it could be because the February/March outbreak was mainly among the young and so the more cautious elderly never had the chance to catch the virus.  Certainly the age profile of those who tested positive shows a sharp decline at 55 and over - and those groups would not have had any vaccine yet:

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Even among the over 70s only about two thirds would been jabbed (maybe a lot less depending how they count the 'workers') and yet there's very few cases shown.  So the honest answer is probably that it is too soon to tell from these figures how big the effect is.  They may be encouraging, but they also highlight that vaccination isn't an automatic guarantee that you will escape the disease.

 

[1]  Actually question 41 not 55 which was from Edge asking  "the Children’s Champion –
When he will publish his a) 2019-20 and b) 2020-21 reports?".  Which for some reason wasn't answered.

[2]  Because of the wording this looks as if this means they may have not included the 3 patients already in Nobles on the day (3 March) lockdown was declared.

[3]  That's not to say there weren't lots of younger people vaccinated, maybe 4,500 or so, mostly with both, but these were classed as front-line health and social care workers.

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2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Just came back from town after a few tea time drinks, absolutely rammed along the quay , seven kingdoms etc . Police walking around in face masks, all friendly but some patrons starting to get very boisterous. Can see a few in cells tonight!!

Well you will venture into the badlands!

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23 minutes ago, Banker said:

Just came back from town after a few tea time drinks, absolutely rammed along the quay , seven kingdoms etc . Police walking around in face masks, all friendly but some patrons starting to get very boisterous. Can see a few in cells tonight!!

JW could be getting a few quid then  ...............

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5 hours ago, Gladys said:

I kind of agree.  The general population just lacks resilience, and not within the expected 'snowflake' demographic.   It is the much older generations who seem so freaked about being told to get on with it and make their own choices.

When this first kicked off,  I predicted it would be the younger people who would melt down because they have never experienced anything but a risk-free, relatively untramelled life - no wars,  no major disease, H&S was unseen in many setting,  but it is the older population  that seem to be more badly affected, and these are people whose parents would have endured those massive risks so you would expect resilience to be passed down.

It is very strange. 

Really? In my experience it is the "Super Grans" who are the problem. They have had both their jabs and don't give a pooh about anyone else from a mask, or especially social distancing point of view.

and started from weeks ago! 

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2 hours ago, The Old Git said:

There was a Tony on a few weeks ago giving his expert opinion on Douglas harbour silt and shifting sand on the beach. 

He reckoned there there was no need to built a higher sea wall, all you had to do was lower the beach. 
 

I still laugh about that whenever I think about it, which is most times I drive along the prom. 

Then you need to have a cup of tea, and real think! Over the past 50-60 years, the sand has washed south. The once 12 foot sea wall has disappeared. Two men in two 360s for two weeks could move enough of that sand for nature and tide to take care of the rest. It is really that simple. 

It really is! 

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

Just came back from town after a few tea time drinks, absolutely rammed along the quay , seven kingdoms etc . Police walking around in face masks, all friendly but some patrons starting to get very boisterous. Can see a few in cells tonight!!

What do you expect? Seven weeks lockdown and payday weekend! It will be like "Black Eye Friday". 

Nobody listens! 

Yes Banker. I was correct again! 

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Is it so hard to wear a mask and SD. so that we can all enjoy a free for all back at work?

Is it only the responsible ones who observe some kind of mitigation responsibility, rather than lets pile into the Pub because we can crowd?

We've months of mitigation to get thru, why not try to make it as safe as possible for everyone, not just yourself?

 

This mini outbreak must have been shock to the Govt? Next week, Yes, wtih more social meeting but straight away? Probably not expected ? So it's back to the drawing board for DA?

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There’ll be a spike next week.  It’s in the schools again that’s why.  So more isolation.   
 

most of the population has been vaccinated so I don’t think there’ll be another lockdown as hospital won’t be overwhelmed.  But businesses need advice on ventilation.   The pubs, if you are going to have people inside, should have windows open, social distancing and masks.   

walking along the quay last night, just pizza and pasta was rammed, all inside...maybe they have great ventilation system.  The bridge had its french windows shut.  

it’s plain ridiculous that the pols are too scared to give proper guidance and enforce it.   

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50 minutes ago, ptarmigan said:

There’ll be a spike next week.  It’s in the schools again that’s why.  So more isolation.   
 

most of the population has been vaccinated so I don’t think there’ll be another lockdown as hospital won’t be overwhelmed.  But businesses need advice on ventilation.   The pubs, if you are going to have people inside, should have windows open, social distancing and masks.   

walking along the quay last night, just pizza and pasta was rammed, all inside...maybe they have great ventilation system.  The bridge had its french windows shut.  

it’s plain ridiculous that the pols are too scared to give proper guidance and enforce it.   

How do you enforce guidance? 

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