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14 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I could, but remember the title of this thread and at the moment the metric in our border 'strategy' is no of cases per 100,000 over 14 days.

We all know that death rates and hospitalisation is very low. But that's not a metric on our framework.....strangely 

I think both you & I know that although the hospital/death data may exceed the current benchmark that will soon have to be reviewed and changed in light of the lesser number of mortalities. Mortalities being the ultimate benchmark.

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2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

For context can you please post data for hospitalisations & deaths (for the same period)?

I posted hospitalisation for may this morning.

It hasn’t changed despite the increase in cases.

 

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1 hour ago, P.K. said:

It's not a scare story it's just telling it like it is - maybe you should try it?

Yes your graphs are very pretty.

But can they fight...?

Of course I'm not one to ignore the numbers of hospitalisation and deaths.

After all 9,000+ folks on the wards is a lot and no doubt part of the decision process.

So is it "Data not dates" after all - I guess we'll find out?

9000!!!

Are we talking continent’s  now? like Europe as opposed to UK?

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6 hours ago, Banker said:

As I’m always posting positive stuff on CI , where I have friends/family, here’s something that’s not gone down well. Anyone from NW England has 13 days isolation & SE England 5 days

https://www.channel103.com/news/guernsey/longer-isolation-for-nw-and-se-england-arrivals/

Great! Guess where ALL of our arrivals come from! We're doomed! 

 

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On 3/31/2021 at 8:03 PM, Banker said:

Complete shambles in France... Macron has changed his mind about 4 times on AZ vaccine...

"The 43-year-old president said that it was a race between vaccination on the one hand and attempting to control the spread of the virus on the other."

Poor Macron. Though a not inconsiderable number of the French feel that his 'joue giflée' t'other day was well deserved and a long time coming.

A lighter moment came when the BBC presenter, describing Macron's security-detail's reaction, assured us that the slapper was promptly, "frog-marched " away by French gendarmes...

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3 hours ago, Banker said:

There’s not 9000+ on wards with Covid, it’s less than 1000 out of 65m population so stop posting scaremongering crap with no basis in fact!!!

There are just under 1,000 people with coronavirus in hospitals in the UK, up about 5% from a low point a week ago. 

That's far below the peak of nearly 40,000 people in January. And NHS Providers say the people who are going in aren't as seriously ill as they were in early waves. They are younger, or don't require intensive care as much - and they're coming out sooner.

@Banker

Apologies drama queen. I merely misread my previous post:

21 hours ago, P.K. said:

900+ in hospital is a lot less than at the height of the pandemic I grant you. But infections and the inevitable hospitalisations are rising.

So let's have your explanation as to why the politicos are all getting squeaky bottoms when asked if the Grand Opening on the 21st June is going to take place or not?

Kicked up quite a fuss though.

Quite gratifying really...

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34 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Great! Guess where ALL of our arrivals come from! We're doomed! 

 

Depending on which side of the fence you sit on, it isn’t really an issue as people are only being tested on day on day 1 or 2 so they will be more likely to receive a negative test, even if due to the incubation period they would be more likely to test positive at say day 6 or 7.

 

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3 hours ago, trmpton said:

I posted hospitalisation for may this morning.

It hasn’t changed despite the increase in cases.

 

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This week and next is when you'd expect to see hospitalisations rise; and they are (currently 1024) If they haven't gone up by next Friday to around 1500 to 2500 then they'll be very lucky. Feel free to come back then and gloat if they haven't and I for one will be very glad if they haven't because my friends and family have suffered enough.

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3 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

This week and next is when you'd expect to see hospitalisations rise; and they are (currently 1024) If they haven't gone up by next Friday to around 1500 to 2500 then they'll be very lucky. Feel free to come back then and gloat if they haven't and I for one will be very glad if they haven't because my friends and family have suffered enough.

Sigh.

People in hospital with COVID (as in, those who test positive on admission for something else) will clearly go up as the prevalence of the virus in the population goes up.

Deaths of people with COVID will also go up.

Here is a clue.  If 10 percent of the population are infected at any given time, then that is going to translate to roughly 10 percent of admissions testing positive.

Doesnt mean those people wouldn’t have been in hospital anyway though.
 

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1 hour ago, trmpton said:

Sigh.

People in hospital with COVID (as in, those who test positive on admission for something else) will clearly go up as the prevalence of the virus in the population goes up.

Deaths of people with COVID will also go up.

Here is a clue.  If 10 percent of the population are infected at any given time, then that is going to translate to roughly 10 percent of admissions testing positive.

Doesnt mean those people wouldn’t have been in hospital anyway though.
 

So, new cases up 20% on yesterday. Expect hospitalisations to go up in 7-10 days. 

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1 hour ago, trmpton said:

Sigh.

People in hospital with COVID (as in, those who test positive on admission for something else) will clearly go up as the prevalence of the virus in the population goes up.

Deaths of people with COVID will also go up.

Here is a clue.  If 10 percent of the population are infected at any given time, then that is going to translate to roughly 10 percent of admissions testing positive.

Doesnt mean those people wouldn’t have been in hospital anyway though.
 

Not quite. A pre admission negative Covid test is required for all non emergency admissions. 

I think it would be eminently sensible to give the vaccine rollout a further few weeks head start before fully unlocking. The second dose seems critical in preventing morbidity. Figures last week seemed to show you were 70% less likely to need hospitalisation after one jab, but 95% after both. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Sigh

What?  You know most of the people in hospital just happen to have tested positive for COVID and would be there anyway.

The Scottish government even commented that the increase in kids in hospital “with COVID” was because they are now out playing and doing sport again, so ending up in hospital with broken arms, testing positive (which doesn’t matter) and so showing in the figures as covid patients.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57344826?fbclid=IwAR3BU8Jq-u7FyriZobP9M-GB0yxgsY2QCzV47skHZ3vUVfOIlaMagPhENVU
 

“It's worth noting that these admissions are not necessarily to treat Covid-related illness. A child might be admitted to hospital with a broken arm, but will be recorded in the figures if they test positive for Covid.”

Cases are going to go up.  Hospital admissions are going to go up.

IT DOESNT MATTER like it did 6 or 12 months ago

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