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4 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

Not quite. A pre admission negative Covid test is required for all non emergency admissions. 

I think it would be eminently sensible to give the vaccine rollout a further few weeks head start before fully unlocking. The second dose seems critical in preventing morbidity. Figures last week seemed to show you were 70% less likely to need hospitalisation after one jab, but 95% after both. 

 

Wrong

”It's worth noting that these admissions are not necessarily to treat Covid-related illness. A child might be admitted to hospital with a broken arm, but will be recorded in the figures if they test positive for Covid.”

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5 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Wrong

”It's worth noting that these admissions are not necessarily to treat Covid-related illness. A child might be admitted to hospital with a broken arm, but will be recorded in the figures if they test positive for Covid.”

Err - no it's not. In the UK, where the figures are coming from, you are required to have a covid test three days before admission to hospital for elective procedures and following that test continue to isolate.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/testing-for-coronavirus-before-hospital/supporting-guidance-for-pre-hospital-test-for-covid-19

 A significant percentage of hospital admissions on any one day are for elective procedures. Yes, of course some kids will be in with broken arms - but as far as I know they've been playing out the whole time throughout the pandemic so that won't have changed much.

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1 minute ago, madmanxpilot said:

Err - no it's not. In the UK, where the figures are coming from, you are required to have a covid test three days before admission to hospital for elective procedures and following that test continue to isolate.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/testing-for-coronavirus-before-hospital/supporting-guidance-for-pre-hospital-test-for-covid-19

 A significant percentage of hospital admissions on any one day are for elective procedures. Yes, of course some kids will be in with broken arms - but as far as I know they've been playing out the whole time throughout the pandemic so that won't have changed much.

The only people with Covid in hospital will therefore be emergency admissions, or those admitted for Covid treatment.

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Just now, madmanxpilot said:

Err - no it's not. In the UK, where the figures are coming from, you are required to have a covid test three days before admission to hospital for elective procedures and following that test continue to isolate.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/testing-for-coronavirus-before-hospital/supporting-guidance-for-pre-hospital-test-for-covid-19

 A significant percentage of hospital admissions on any one day are for elective procedures. Yes, of course some kids will be in with broken arms - but as far as I know they've been playing out the whole time throughout the pandemic so that won't have changed much.

We aren’t talking about elective procedures.

People are using a rise in the number of people in hospital with COVID as an indicator that people are sick with COVID.

They aren’t.  As more people become infected (who cares?) and more people are back out living their normal lives there will be more people ending up in hospital for non planned reasons who test positive on admission.  Hardly rocket science.

 

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3 minutes ago, trmpton said:

The Scottish government even commented that the increase in kids in hospital “with COVID” was because they are now out playing and doing sport again, so ending up in hospital with broken arms, testing positive (which doesn’t matter) and so showing in the figures as covid patients.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57344826?fbclid=IwAR3BU8Jq-u7FyriZobP9M-GB0yxgsY2QCzV47skHZ3vUVfOIlaMagPhENVU

Sigh. No they didn't. This:

“It's worth noting that these admissions are not necessarily to treat Covid-related illness. A child might be admitted to hospital with a broken arm, but will be recorded in the figures if they test positive for Covid."

is the opinion of the journalist / editor not the Scottish Government.

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2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

What?  You know most of the people in hospital just happen to have tested positive for COVID and would be there anyway.

The Scottish government even commented that the increase in kids in hospital “with COVID” was because they are now out playing and doing sport again, so ending up in hospital with broken arms, testing positive (which doesn’t matter) and so showing in the figures as covid patients.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57344826?fbclid=IwAR3BU8Jq-u7FyriZobP9M-GB0yxgsY2QCzV47skHZ3vUVfOIlaMagPhENVU
 

“It's worth noting that these admissions are not necessarily to treat Covid-related illness. A child might be admitted to hospital with a broken arm, but will be recorded in the figures if they test positive for Covid.”

Cases are going to go up.  Hospital admissions are going to go up.

IT DOESNT MATTER like it did 6 or 12 months ago

I am so re-assured that you know the medical history of all of the people in hospital!!.  And of course Governments are always open and transparent! Regardless though I think at the moment it does matter that people are testing positive even if not the primary cause for admission - If we were a couple of weeks further down the line with the vaccine programme I couldn't disagree ... but we are not.  For the sake of completing the vaccination programme as best we can we need to become vigilant ... we have become complacent again and we should be aware of numbers and spread so that we can react and mitigate accordingly so we are in the best place to have our borders open as safely as possible.

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2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

We aren’t talking about elective procedures.

People are using a rise in the number of people in hospital with COVID as an indicator that people are sick with COVID.

They aren’t.  As more people become infected (who cares?) and more people are back out living their normal lives there will be more people ending up in hospital for non planned reasons who test positive on admission.  Hardly rocket science.

 

That is correct - you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that. 

However, the Government will know exactly how many people are being admitted to hospital solely because of Covid, and will use that granularity to make informed decisions. Maybe it would help if that data was made public?

It is the case that the total number of people in hospital WITH Covid will be artificially lower than it would be without the pre testing requirement. That is the point I am making.

 

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9 minutes ago, trmpton said:

We aren’t talking about elective procedures.

People are using a rise in the number of people in hospital with COVID as an indicator that people are sick with COVID.

They aren’t.  As more people become infected (who cares?) and more people are back out living their normal lives there will be more people ending up in hospital for non planned reasons who test positive on admission.  Hardly rocket science.

 

I think you do. Why else would you spend so much time debating the issue? I think somewhere deep down you're really worried and it's just coming out as anger. If you aren't concerned then could always prove it by not posting anything COVID related for a week. 

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4 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

I think you do. Why else would you spend so much time debating the issue? I think somewhere deep down you're really worried and it's just coming out as anger. If you aren't concerned then could always prove it by not posting anything COVID related for a week. 

Where is the fun in that?

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48 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

Not quite. A pre admission negative Covid test is required for all non emergency admissions. 

I think it would be eminently sensible to give the vaccine rollout a further few weeks head start before fully unlocking. The second dose seems critical in preventing morbidity. Figures last week seemed to show you were 70% less likely to need hospitalisation after one jab, but 95% after both. 

 

That’s probably why every jurisdiction has accelerated roll out of second doses , except of course the Isle of Man where it was too difficult!!!

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2 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Many are "accelerating, " from a far inferior second dose position to the Isle of Man.

Any taking a 2 week vaccine holiday right before looking to relax border restrictions?

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1 minute ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Many are "accelerating, " from a far inferior second dose position to the Isle of Man.

Wrong as usual, Guernsey, Jersey & UK have all delivered more second doses as a% of adults than us , Jersey are well ahead.

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