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34 minutes ago, Banker said:

Too easy, didn't think it would take long😂

Anyone would find brainlessly repeating the same refrain easy hence all it needs is a stock reply.

If you think that's somehow moving your cause forward, well, good luck with that one...

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2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Which would suggest they haven’t sent us any while the hubs were closed.

Someone really needs to be asking why they closed and if that decision impacted on our supply.

If we missed out on deliveries through closing then that is a disgrace.  It is bad enough already that they closed down.

Wonder how long it will take to catch up every other jurisdictions which just cracked on instead of having 2 weeks holidays?

UK 55% fully vaccinated, Guernsey 52% , Jersey 93% of over 55 & 82% of 50-54 

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10 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Which would suggest they haven’t sent us any while the hubs were closed.

Someone really needs to be asking why they closed and if that decision impacted on our supply.

If we missed out on deliveries through closing then that is a disgrace.  It is bad enough already that they closed down.

Meanwhile Gibraltar was fully vaccinated well over one month ago. Same supplier.

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6 minutes ago, Banker said:

Wonder how long it will take to catch up every other jurisdictions which just cracked on instead of having 2 weeks holidays?

UK 55% fully vaccinated, Guernsey 52% , Jersey 93% of over 55 & 82% of 50-54 

Give it a rest. It’s a worn record. We all know how you feel. 

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2 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Give it a rest. It’s a worn record. We all know how you feel. 

He is right though.

If they put the end of June back and use the lack of vaccinations as a reason, after 2 weeks of doing nothing while the rest of Britain have ramped things up, would we as a population not be right to be absolutely disgusted?  Especially those in hospitality and tourism l?

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Just now, On the inside said:

Meanwhile Gibraltar was fully vaccinated well over one month ago. Same supplier.

The system is.

1. the UK don’t have everything they’ve ordered delivered and in warehouses. It comes through from the manufacturers weekly and in differing amounts.

2. There is then an allocation, pro rata, per head, to England and each of the devolved nations, and the Crown Dependencies and the Overseas Territories.

3. The health authorities in the various jurisdictions then decide what to draw down, when and arrange transport.

4. They can leave stock in store in UK if they don’t want it immediately or don’t have storage.  It’s not lost, they can draw from the allocation later.

5. Gibraltar was a special case as 20,000 Spanish resident workers stream over the border to work, every day. They are everything from financial services, nurses, cleaners, etc. Spain was slow off the starting grid vaccination wise.

Now, why we didn’t fill the last fortnight with brought forward second doses or first doses is a peculiarly Manx thing. The justifications don’t hold water. I suspect they’ve just held off drawing down to avoid accusations of huge stockpiles and a cockup. At least we start again on Monday and the rest of 18+ who want to register for vaccination are now being invited.

One of the reasons first timers may not have been slotted in is because they’re mainly under 40 and going to get pfizer or moderna rather than Astra Zeneca. We aren’t told what the mix of stock held is.

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14 minutes ago, trmpton said:

He is right though.

If they put the end of June back and use the lack of vaccinations as a reason, after 2 weeks of doing nothing while the rest of Britain have ramped things up, would we as a population not be right to be absolutely disgusted?  Especially those in hospitality and tourism l?

But repeating it ad nauseam, every day, sometimes several times a day, just makes banker look an even bigger tit than they actually are. The decision was made, lots of us think it’s wrong.

The fact remains, we’re well ahead of the 95% of jurisdictions elsewhere in the world.

And open borders was always going to depend on UK rates and UK restrictions.

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7 minutes ago, John Wright said:

The system is.

1. the UK don’t have everything they’ve ordered delivered and in warehouses. It comes through from the manufacturers weekly and in differing amounts.

2. There is then an allocation, pro rata, per head, to England and each of the devolved nations, and the Crown Dependencies and the Overseas Territories.

3. The health authorities in the various jurisdictions then decide what to draw down, when and arrange transport.

4. They can leave stock in store in UK if they don’t want it immediately or don’t have storage.  It’s not lost, they can draw from the allocation later.

5. Gibraltar was a special case as 20,000 Spanish resident workers stream over the border to work, every day. They are everything from financial services, nurses, cleaners, etc. Spain was slow off the starting grid vaccination wise.

Now, why we didn’t fill the last fortnight with brought forward second doses or first doses is a peculiarly Manx thing. The justifications don’t hold water. I suspect they’ve just held off drawing down to avoid accusations of huge stockpiles and a cockup. At least we start again on Monday and the rest of 18+ who want to register for vaccination are now being invited.

One of the reasons first timers may not have been slotted in is because they’re mainly under 40 and going to get pfizer or moderna rather than Astra Zeneca. We aren’t told what the mix of stock held is.

Good summary. I should mention Gibraltar is a green travel zone and Spain an amber travel zone, but Spain is a green travel zone from Gibraltar with no land border (Spain) mandatory test control in or out. Only the airport has mandatory testing.

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17 minutes ago, John Wright said:

The system is.

1. the UK don’t have everything they’ve ordered delivered and in warehouses. It comes through from the manufacturers weekly and in differing amounts.

2. There is then an allocation, pro rata, per head, to England and each of the devolved nations, and the Crown Dependencies and the Overseas Territories.

3. The health authorities in the various jurisdictions then decide what to draw down, when and arrange transport.

4. They can leave stock in store in UK if they don’t want it immediately or don’t have storage.  It’s not lost, they can draw from the allocation later.

5. Gibraltar was a special case as 20,000 Spanish resident workers stream over the border to work, every day. They are everything from financial services, nurses, cleaners, etc. Spain was slow off the starting grid vaccination wise.

Now, why we didn’t fill the last fortnight with brought forward second doses or first doses is a peculiarly Manx thing. The justifications don’t hold water. I suspect they’ve just held off drawing down to avoid accusations of huge stockpiles and a cockup. At least we start again on Monday and the rest of 18+ who want to register for vaccination are now being invited.

One of the reasons first timers may not have been slotted in is because they’re mainly under 40 and going to get pfizer or moderna rather than Astra Zeneca. We aren’t told what the mix of stock held is.

Where are you getting your info from for 1, 3 & 4?

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20 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Where are you getting your info from for 1, 3 & 4?

It’s all public.

1. Do you remember the stories about supply issues in late February and March, when pfizer closed down part of its manufacturing to increase capacity. Was covered here at the time. None of pfizer, moderna or AZ were contracted to fulfil the whole order at once. 

2. The info about allocation and draw down came from several articles about 4 weeks ago which referenced and explained how Wales had got ahead in the vaccine in arms race.

3. ditto. And comparing CI numbers. They’ve had steady supply over the last fortnight. We’ve had 3000. 

Lets see what arrives next week.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Give it a rest. It’s a worn record. We all know how you feel. 

Sorry, we all know only your opinion counts as you constantly demonstrate, it’s a forum!!

Next thing will be we are delayed borders easing until more over 50s vaccinations 

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Little wonder there are concerns about the Delta variant.

Data from Public Health England confirms there have been 42 deaths so far in England with the Delta variant. Of this number, 23 were unvaccinated, seven were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine, and 12 were more than 14 days after their second dose.

Put in simple percentages - 55% unvaccinated, 28% 1 jab, 17% 2 jabs.

Thinking vaccination makes you invulnerable is clearly not a good idea...

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