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13 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Theoretically yes- It is millions of more times less likely than an unvaccinated person though

That makes the risk associated with 2+2s travelling much lower

That's why the whole world is thinking that way....well the world, except you!

I really think this point is being missed by those who still think the hospital will be overrun by the end of next week.

I don’t know what they need to do to reassure people? Maybe a simple graphic that shows how risk to everyone decreases as more people are vaccinated (or infected).

The talk of percentages confuses people, and the message about overall  reduction of risk hasn’t got through.

Eg, a 70% reduction in risk of hospitalisation and a 80% reduction in risk of transmission doesn’t mean 20% of the population are still going to get it and 30% of those  end up in Nobles.

The level of reduction in risk is way, way more than that (as evidenced by figures in the UK)

I really don’t know how they get that across to people, but really think they need to try.  I have seen people taking about shielding kids from next week!!  If these kids are really that vulnerable, surely they never left the house anyway?

Peoples mental health is taking a battering because they are scared of the maths that they don’t understand and it’s sad to see.

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You've seen the scaremongering being out out by "news channels" both here and across? ... AND YES I'm LOOKING AT YOU MANX RADIO ......shameful 

It's little wonder some people are still scared witless 

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14 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Theoretically yes- It is millions of more times less likely than an unvaccinated person though

That makes the risk associated with 2+2s travelling much lower

That's why the whole world is thinking that way....well the world, except you!

Unfortunately what you and the rest of the world are relying on is best guesswork, until the trials are actually complete nobody actually knows for certain what difference the vaccine makes, it’s design is to reduce hospitalisations, if it reduces transmission (not currently confirmed, only hoped at this stage) then all well and good.

As for my way of thinking, if someone double vaccinated spreads Covid19 around without realising it as the vaccine has made them effectively asymptomatic (again not currently confirmed, but it’s thought) then we’re just setting ourselves up for a perfect storm of vaccinated people spreading the virus to what’s left of the unvaccinated population, in which case why have any restrictions? what is the risk in having unvaccinated people travel other than to themselves?

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7 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Unfortunately what you and the rest of the world are relying on is best guesswork, until the trials are actually complete nobody actually knows for certain what difference the vaccine makes, it’s design is to reduce hospitalisations, if it reduces transmission (not currently confirmed, only hoped at this stage) then all well and good.

As for my way of thinking, if someone double vaccinated spreads Covid19 around without realising it as the vaccine has made them effectively asymptomatic (again not currently confirmed, but it’s thought) then we’re just setting ourselves up for a perfect storm of vaccinated people spreading the virus to what’s left of the unvaccinated population, in which case why have any restrictions? what is the risk in having unvaccinated people travel other than to themselves?

I rest my case.

Double jabbed people aren’t going to be wandering around infecting unvaccinated people and putting them in hospital.  The figures in the UK already show this.  Canada, America, lots of other places are removing all restrictions for the fully vaccinated.  It isn’t some weird Manx only thing.

There is huge amounts of science and statistics behind it.

Chances are you could quite happily spend a whole day out and about with no vaccine in the company of a double jabbed “spreader” and be fine.

A vaccinated case in the presence of a none vaccinated person is very, very unlikely to pass it on.  If they do there are of course far less people for that person to then pass it onto - because vaccine.

 

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2 minutes ago, forestboy said:

2 more confirmed cases today making 5 in two days all from travel. 
We don’t know what variant. 
we don’t know if returning residents, visitors/key workers or whatever. 

Nor do we care do we?

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7 minutes ago, trmpton said:

The level of reduction in risk is way, way more than that (as evidenced by figures in the UK)

The IOM hasn’t managed the virus the same way the UK has, so it isn’t a great comparison. I think at my last time of reading something like 1 in 5 people in the UK are thought to have had the virus, actual figures aren’t known due to the large number that were largely asymptomatic and went untested, the IOM reached nowhere near that figure, but it’s thought that some level of antibodies would have been built up at this time.

People are now being told that vaccinated people are effectively safe, yet it’s thought that vaccinated folk can still carry and spread the virus, in which case the risk between an unvaccinated person travelling and a vaccinated person travelling is negligible, the vaccinated have protected themselves, they aren’t protecting anyone else, but that is the false information that is being given out (and still continues to be given out).

I think the unvaccinated have a reason to be concerned, you can only protect yourself to a certain extent, the borders being freely open to vaccinated folk significantly increases your risk of contracting the virus.

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1 hour ago, 2112 said:

His spat with the Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece is a belter - he mentioned taxpayers subvention, which is an unusual departure for Government actually recognising the taxpayer. Is HRH The Chief Minister implying that as IOMG are keeping The Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece afloat/alive by form of taxpayers cash, then they have to give HRH The Chief Minister preferrential publicity? 
 

In other countries this could be viewed as corruption. 

 

Yes he does seem to have done that. 

Have you also noticed the riposte  has come through the Government's new official broadcaster of choice the IOM Constabulary's Media Page. 

It's totally inappropriate for the Police to be engaged as a broadcast media in political matters.

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11 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

You care

Really dont.

Go back to normal.  Stop testing people. Stop stressing about it. Stop letting it negatively impact on peoples lives and businesses.

If the press stopped reporting it and we stopped testing it would just become like flu and people would forget about it - in the same way people forget about the people in the UK currently being killed by flu and pneumonia to a factor of ten more than are "with" COVID.

I just want my life back and to be able to conduct my two businesses normally again.  One of which is still being heavily impacted and one of which has basically been mothballed for over a year now.

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14 minutes ago, trmpton said:

I rest my case.

Double jabbed people aren’t going to be wandering around infecting unvaccinated people and putting them in hospital.  The figures in the UK already show this.  Canada, America, lots of other places are removing all restrictions for the fully vaccinated.  It isn’t some weird Manx only thing.

There is huge amounts of science and statistics behind it.

Chances are you could quite happily spend a whole day out and about with no vaccine in the company of a double jabbed “spreader” and be fine.

A vaccinated case in the presence of a none vaccinated person is very, very unlikely to pass it on.  If they do there are of course far less people for that person to then pass it onto - because vaccine.

 

‘Rest my case’ this is a discussion not an argument, if you can’t see there are different sides to this debate that makes you part of the problem.

The IOM is exactly the ‘weird Manx only thing’ that you say it’s not, we handled the virus in a completely fashion to the UK, Canada and America and as such we can’t be compared to them. The ‘fear’ you see from the Manx public is due the way in which the virus was handled here and the shift from the elimination strategy to the migration strategy.

Anything to do with the vaccine is all hopes & dreams or best guess work and assumptions, nothing has scientifically proven as yet. Statistically it appears that the virus is spreading but the hospitalisations are down, it’s not known at this stage whether this is due to a weaker mutation or vaccination, either way that is good news.

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11 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Really dont.

Go back to normal.  Stop testing people. Stop stressing about it. Stop letting it negatively impact on peoples lives and businesses.

If the press stopped reporting it and we stopped testing it would just become like flu and people would forget about it - in the same way people forget about the people in the UK currently being killed by flu and pneumonia to a factor of ten more than are "with" COVID.

I just want my life back and to be able to conduct my two businesses normally again.  One of which is still being heavily impacted and one of which has basically been mothballed for over a year now.

Oh FFS, if you want to go back to normal then why are you happy restrictions are being imposed on unvaccinated folk? Yet Vaccinated folk who can still spread the virus can carry on as normal? The border should be open for everyone, this nonsense of only letting vaccinated people travel freely is utterly ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, 2112 said:

 

 Is HRH The Chief Minister implying that as IOMG are keeping The Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece afloat/alive by form of taxpayers cash, then they have to give HRH The Chief Minister preferrential publicity? 

 

No he’s not. He just asked that Manx Radio provide balanced news, which seems reasonable enough, subventions or no subvention.

He was also disappointed that MR sensationalized  the issue. I note that he has been cleared of any breach of regulations.

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