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8 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

It’s worrying & extremely disturbing how the masses have been duped & manipulated by the media & Governments around the world.

To what end?

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Can you guys start a separate thread titled "Jersey is ace - oh no it isn't" and leave this one to a discussion on IOM and the coronavirus?

...and I so wanted a long illustrious career at the DHSC   I run my own company so my involvement with the DHSC to set up and keep the COVID19 lab running wasn't exactly in the professional caree

I'll put a big disclaimer here that I'm not the person who decides who gets tested and when.  Saying that, I am a scientist who understands that if you test someone on the day they arrive and the

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On 8/28/2020 at 8:34 PM, pongo said:

An anti-expert extrapolating conclusions from compounded guesses. The whole post layered with the implication of conspiracy and deceit and topped off with a classic stock-picker boast.

 

On 8/28/2020 at 9:40 PM, ian rush said:

Filippos extract re the selfishness of NZ relying on vacc and herd immunity elsewhere is in my unqualified view utter horseshit. As if NZ wouldnt make vaccine available when it came on stream; theyre not going to wait for the world to eliminate by vaccine before re-opening without offer vacc to their citizens. Herd immunity elsewhere? Is there such  immunity? This is closer to a cold than chickenpox as far as i can see so questionable that there is such a thing.

 

Those “conspiracy theories” and “unqualified horseshit” were actually the consolidated consensus of the SAGE committee advising the UK government straight until the sudden introduction of the UK lockdown in the second half of March. When politics got into it, the science changed!

Each meeting of the SAGE committee produced detailed minutes that the UK government resisted for a long time to allow in the public domain. When we finally were allowed to see them, we found out that the advice of the SAGE committee was to avoid any lockdown in the style of what back then was going on in Italy. They had only advised the temporary closure of the riskiest kind of activities, such as pubs, but at a later stage, if hospitals had problems coping.

They saw Covid19 as a virus that could not be suppressed in the long term and any effective vaccine only likely to be available when the pandemic had run its course. That was the balance of their consensus.

The masks is a similar story of politics overriding science; and actually, the UK's Department of Health and Social Care has always been opposed the use of masks by the general public and that advice has not changed as of today!

As for the politicians of this island, the likes of Ashford and Quayle, they don't seem to have a mind of their own. They just read the WHO's web-site and report its content in those briefings with journalists in the manner of children submitting to examination of their homework. Sometimes it is too ridiculous to watch to the end.

 

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8 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

It’s worrying & extremely disturbing how the masses have been duped & manipulated by the media & Governments around the world.

 

31 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

To what end?

 

In the case of the UK government, I don't think that they did it deliberately to control us. At a certain point in late March Boris and his cohorts, their political antennas being very sensitive, got a clear picture of how the left would have exploited the pandemic if the government had just tried to brave it though. They saw that as too a risky strategy from a political perspective, and they never dared to challenge the left on the trade-off of the Covid19 response.

As concerns the government of this island, read the last paragraph of my previous posting of a few minutes ago.

It is a sorry state of circumstances; but it doesn't make any harm to hope for the best; that a more rational and commensurate approach will prevail later on. The left will continue with the same arguments, but enough of the public will understand the issues. That is my hope at the least.

 

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Escape artist: your points about my argument ignore the fact that filippos rent a quote was saying NZ was selfish in maintaining a lockdown for the reasons cited. It wasnt about the uk initial response.

Herd immunity was initially prominent in uk; but see my point re what happened in Sweden. Government not closing stuff doesnt mean people will carry on as normal.

I doubt i'll ever persuade you given you attribute the politics of 'the left' for the ultimate uk response and ignore the fact that it whilst headline bed capacity (nightingale hospitals) may not have been called upon, staff were overwhelmed even with what you consider were premature measures.

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6 hours ago, Cambon said:

The actual briefing is available to watch on YouTube. It is all mentioned there. 

The government has been in recess for four weeks. Do you expect them to just sit and watch as we have no cases? 

Jersey has 32 active cases, regardless of what the government website says. Not all recent cases have been detected from arrivals. It is just  matter of time. Maybe the one metre social distancing, limiting groups socialising, wearing masks, etc. is the key.,not for me. I prefer to wait until the time is right. We are nearly there. Two more weeks then seven days and test. 

Jersey have 13 active cases , where do you get 32 from. You seem to make up all sorts of rubbish from your qualifications, statistics you can never provide sources from etc etc.

Guernsey have already gone to 7 days on 17/08 and they have no face masks etc so how do you explain how they can do it?

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2 hours ago, Banker said:

Jersey have 13 active cases , where do you get 32 from. You seem to make up all sorts of rubbish from your qualifications, statistics you can never provide sources from etc etc.

Guernsey have already gone to 7 days on 17/08 and they have no face masks etc so how do you explain how they can do it?

Worldometers considers an active case to be a case that has been notified in the last 14 days. Jersey obviously has its own method. 

 

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Ich bin ein Berliner?

Full Speech of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. from the Berlin Demonstration on the 29th August 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8j0JSK0hpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_11goiqo0I

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nGtBFFcxMVdg/

(Multiple sources due to imminent suppression)

 

Bonus - CDC figures revised down:

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Are the IOM figures to be revised? With and From need to be specified.

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, ian rush said:

Escape artist: your points about my argument ignore the fact that filippos rent a quote was saying NZ was selfish in maintaining a lockdown for the reasons cited. It wasnt about the uk initial response.

Herd immunity was initially prominent in uk; but see my point re what happened in Sweden. Government not closing stuff doesnt mean people will carry on as normal.

I doubt i'll ever persuade you given you attribute the politics of 'the left' for the ultimate uk response and ignore the fact that it whilst headline bed capacity (nightingale hospitals) may not have been called upon, staff were overwhelmed even with what you consider were premature measures.

 

The Swedish economy, and indeed many other economies, have been hit marginally in respect to the UK. See it by yourself in the attachments below (source: The Guardian, thus no right-wing bias here).

Note that even China managed to keep itself nearly completely functional during the pandemic. The area of Wuhan that was shut down, with population of 11 million versus China's 1.4 billion, is less than 1% of China. That is evident from the graph below as concerns China GDP growth.

The UK under performed across all measures and the bill will be enormous. And we haven't saved anyone, as evident from the fatality rate. In the end the virus is going to do what it wants to do. You can't stop a virus that transmits as easily as the common cold. Destroying the economy, our livelihood, only compounds the damage.

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2 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

1,715 UK cases - highest since May.

1 death.

Wonder which of those figures will be the story

Those figures will be trebled when cambon reports them!

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40 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

1,715 UK cases - highest since May.

1 death.
 

The behaviour of this viral infection is very difficult to understand. Questions -

Is the infection fatality rate decreasing for some reason, or is it the same it’s always been, and we’re now seeing loads of cases due to testing more, and it’s millennials going to raves getting it rather than nursing home residents?

Is there a seasonal effect? Vitamin D? Being outside?

Have all the people really susceptible to this new virus been killed off and the rest of us have either had it, are immune to it, or are minimally affected by it? Has this led to populations such as the UK effectively having herd immunity now and covid has become another common cold in that population?

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20 minutes ago, wrighty said:

The behaviour of this viral infection is very difficult to understand. Questions -

Is the infection fatality rate decreasing for some reason, or is it the same it’s always been, and we’re now seeing loads of cases due to testing more, and it’s millennials going to raves getting it rather than nursing home residents?

Is there a seasonal effect? Vitamin D? Being outside?

Have all the people really susceptible to this new virus been killed off and the rest of us have either had it, are immune to it, or are minimally affected by it? Has this led to populations such as the UK effectively having herd immunity now and covid has become another common cold in that population?

I would imagine it’s killed most of the people it was going to kill by this stage (old and vulnerable) and now its shooting around the general population with minimal impact. As should have happened at the start they should have just protected the old and the vulnerable and just let everyone else get on with taking sensible measures and precautions. Not pursuing a crazy total lockdown policy which is destroying the whole economy and wrecking the lives of millions of people who are now unemployed. 

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1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

I would imagine it’s killed most of the people it was going to kill by this stage (old and vulnerable) and now its shooting around the general population with minimal impact. As should have happened at the start they should have just protected the old and the vulnerable and just let everyone else get on with taking sensible measures and precautions. Not pursuing a crazy total lockdown policy which is destroying the whole economy and wrecking the lives of millions of people who are now unemployed. 

I feel the time has come to let it run it's course unabated before the whole world crashes and burns!

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1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

As should have happened at the start they should have just protected the old and the vulnerable and just let everyone else get on with taking sensible measures and precautions.

Lots of people seemed not to give any care to the old and vulnerable during this pandemic. Can you imagine the problems if this had been the policy from the beginning. More older people left in isolation and for how long.

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3 hours ago, wrighty said:

The behaviour of this viral infection is very difficult to understand. Questions -

Is the infection fatality rate decreasing for some reason, or is it the same it’s always been, and we’re now seeing loads of cases due to testing more, and it’s millennials going to raves getting it rather than nursing home residents?

Is there a seasonal effect? Vitamin D? Being outside?

Have all the people really susceptible to this new virus been killed off and the rest of us have either had it, are immune to it, or are minimally affected by it? Has this led to populations such as the UK effectively having herd immunity now and covid has become another common cold in that population?

You may correct me but the whole point of lockdown was to help the nhs as far as I'm aware nowhere was overran even at the height of the pandemic. The fact that in scotland they are telling people to travel to Belfast to get tested says it all to me. 

Also do you think that when the virus returns it will hit hard due to the fact it didnt really hit here first time around so our immune systems may not be as strong?

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