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1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

I see Dr Glover is now suggesting it’s like playing Russian Roulette, apparently 50% of deaths from the virus in the UK have been people who were double vaccinated, 1 in 10 are still likely to be seriously ill, survival of the fittest continues.

In a situation where 100% of the population are vaxxed, then all deaths from covid will have been vaxxed. It’s an obvious truth and one that shouldn’t be used to suggest that the vaccine is ineffective or that we shouldn’t be relaxing restrictions. 

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1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

She seems to be the only person with any sort of independent view left, I really admire her and I would trust her advice long before I would trust Ashfords or Quayle’s, unfortunately sheeple will disagree as they will only act when/if they’re told to do so.

She seems to have a fine balance of common sense and intelligence, a lot to be admired for I think.

 

This is starting to feel like Life Of Brian again

The messiah sketch BTW

"the only person with any sort of independent view left" - Get real

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1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

Well its the same type of people who don’t realise 90% efficiency is still 1 in 10, it’s just 90% sounds better than 1 in 10.

You repeatedly misunderstand the science and what the numbers mean. Perhaps you should consider refraining from spouting nonsense.

 

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1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

Double jabbed or not..... no vaccine is 100% effective. Why is it that even clever people can't see that? And there's always (to coin an Americanism) a backstory to each death.

And don't forget many many people die with a positive test result against them (in the last 28 days) of other things......very often...regardless of how many jabs they have had. 

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10 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

And don't forget many many people die with a positive test result against them (in the last 28 days) of other things......very often...regardless of how many jabs they have had. 

But don't forget many many more people die of COVID rather than with COVID....very often... Regardless of how many jabs they have had.

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10 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

But don't forget many many more people die of COVID rather than with COVID....very often... Regardless of how many jabs they have had.

You mean they die "with" Covid rather than "of" covid of course.

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22 minutes ago, wrighty said:

In a situation where 100% of the population are vaxxed, then all deaths from covid will have been vaxxed. It’s an obvious truth and one that shouldn’t be used to suggest that the vaccine is ineffective or that we shouldn’t be relaxing restrictions. 

Would it be fair to say that politically you have often tended towards the slightly more bullish side with respect to the relaxation of restrictions. That to me has long seemed both a political and a medical issue, with opinion seemingly often closely reflecting people's wider political and economic perspectives (the extreme end of that spectrum being occupied by the kind of freedom - kooks who write here about "face nappies" etc).

Related to that - what progress do you see with respect to this previous idea? Where would you say that Britain is up to now with respect to herd immunity, 7 months on?

On 10/29/2020 at 11:34 PM, wrighty said:

A (very rough) calculation suggests to me that if the UK carry on as they are they'll have herd immunity in about 6 weeks. 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, wrighty said:

In a situation where 100% of the population are vaxxed, then all deaths from covid will have been vaxxed. It’s an obvious truth and one that shouldn’t be used to suggest that the vaccine is ineffective or that we shouldn’t be relaxing restrictions. 

Nobody is suggesting the vaccine is ineffective, the issue is the message being sent out that if you’ve had both  vaccines you’ll be absolutely fine, yes you have higher protection, but it’s not 99.9% effective, its thought to be 90% effective.

As for restrictions, well that’s ongoing, we’re back to trial and error. I personally preferred the model of mirroring the UK about 2/3 weeks behind as it gave us a bit of a buffer, right now it does feel like survival of the fittest.

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3 minutes ago, Scipio said:

From today's news - "Mr Watterson is advising islanders to consider wearing face masks when they are inside a busy building."

Hasn't done the situation in England much good has it?

Look on the bright side. Thailand has made it law to wear masks on public transport and also banned talking on there too ! 

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14 minutes ago, Nomadic Raptor said:

This is like de ja vu island goes in to over kill on rumour and government will give an update tomorrow at 4pm.  Why can’t they just have clear communication now and nip things in the bud.

Ego: it has to be delivered by Quayle.

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7 minutes ago, Scipio said:

From today's news - "Mr Watterson is advising islanders to consider wearing face masks when they are inside a busy building."

Hasn't done the situation in England much good has it?

What? Mask wearing? 

There’s a pre-print study referenced here that suggests they go a long way as part of a package of sensible measures. 

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/new-study-says-mandatory-mask-laws-were-single-biggest-factor-in-stemming-victorian-covid19-outbreak/news-story/b8ee6b9e29f59b87ae808f8436120699

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6 hours ago, kevster said:

They should have shown them Ashie's reply to my email

Am I in a miniscule minority who thinks very contemptuously about our DHSC Minister?

Top World Class Qualified Pandemic Expert David Ashford MBE's Press Release last Friday said that there was no need for anyone here to be concerned about the three Astra Zeneca Batches which have been banned by Malta and others as they are not yet EU approved. He specifically said that no-one has any reason to worry as none of those three batches had been received in the Isle of Man. See: https://covid19.gov.im/news-releases-statements/no-covishield-vaccines-administered-in-the-isle-of-man/

I quote ''Minister for Health and Social Care, David Ashford MHK, said: ''As no Covishield branded vaccines have been administered here in the Isle of Man, there is no need for the public to be concerned about any EU travel implications.''

He surely knew, and he certainly ought to have known, his facts properly about this and he was quite simply and obviously completely misleading and wrong. There were in fact OVER FIVE MILLION DOSES of vaccine received by the UK which bear these batch nos. As the island gets 0.13% of all vaccine doses received by the UK then the IOM will have received and used around 6500 doses of those with the same three batch numbers received and administered here. no-one should be in any doubt about that despite 'Doctor' Ashford MBE's unqualified total assurances to the contrary.

There is no suggestion that this vaccine is substandard. The issue is that the EMA has not authorised it because the Indian manufacturers are yet to seek a licence to use it in Europe. That is causing travel problems with some countries already including Malta. 

I feel strongly that Top World Class Qualified Pandemic Expert David Ashford MBE yet again owes everyone a big apology.

Meantime, if you have had one or two Oxford / AstraZeneca jabs and wish to check your vaccination card to see if you had any from the relevant batch numbers which should be written or stamped on the vaccine card you received at your first appointment, the relevant numbers of the affected batches are as follows: 4120Z001 and 4120Z002 and 4120Z003.

I have been astonished throughout these last 16 months at the permanent Teflon coated widespread popularity of Top World Class Qualified Pandemic Expert David Ashford MBE which I consider to be wholly misplaced.

I have no idea why he is so popular in the face of his Great Shredding Incident after seeming to do his very best to discredit and undermine the island's own world class Genomics expert Rachel Glover and  thereafter in that sort of vein. Not to mention also: the long-time lack of testing here, the wholly inadequate testing after they did eventually start to do some testing, the appalling lack of, and much later glacially slow, expensive Genomic Sequencing when our world-class expert Manxwoman Dr Glover consistently offered 24 hour turnarounds and to do so free of charge for many months only to be completely ignored, the obscenity of the needlessly delayed late Vaccine roll-outs from receipt of the first vaccines around mid December until after the DHSC's holidays were over in January, his forced apology to  the House of Keys on 15 April after he gave the House of Keys completely wrong information about a Covid19 vaccine related death, his ridiculous and unique two week ''holiday' pause in June (''they need and deserve a holiday'') despite plenty volunteer jabbers being available at that ongoing most critical juncture which further endangered the population needlessly while at the same time his Government were opening up the borders etc etc etc etc.

Did ''Minister Dr Top Class Pandemic Expert'' Ashford MBE really totally fail to understand that this has been, and remains, a race between vaccinations and infections.....

All absolutely astonishing. The Isle of Man. Where seemingly you can fool almost all of the people all of the time... 

Am I the only one who thinks very contemptuously about our DHSC Minister?

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