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7 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Whether they are 'healthy' or not is a moot point.

Can you prove they aren't infectious or contaminated? And that they aren't likely to be given their exposure?

That's the law as it stands.

 

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1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said:

Im a bit surprised you didnt see this coming. 

I’m a bit surprised they are still testing, asking people to isolate, not paying those to isolate & still pretending we’re living with it.

Utter bollocks, all of it.

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7 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Whether they are 'healthy' or not is a moot point.

Can you prove they aren't infectious or contaminated? And that they aren't likely to be given their exposure?

That's the law as it stands.

 

But who are they going to infect? 

 

The most vulnerable have had both their vaccines. So even though the vast majority have had at least 1 vaccine we are still worrying people might get infected? Can you not see how crazy that mindset is? If the powers that be are worried people who have had the vaccine might still get infected then we wil never get out of this. 

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4 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

We can't have an accurate representation without knowing how many are in isolation. 

I've heard it's nearing 2,000 people isolating at present. 

I was referring to the Hospital and ICU figures that have been ZERO for ages now 

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35 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

But who are they going to infect? 

 

The most vulnerable have had both their vaccines. So even though the vast majority have had at least 1 vaccine we are still worrying people might get infected? Can you not see how crazy that mindset is? If the powers that be are worried people who have had the vaccine might still get infected then we wil never get out of this. 

I’m still convinced that the government here don’t want to let it run rampant yet.

The vaccines aren’t now being touted as a silver bullet, just look at the UK Gov already talking about restrictions for winter. Though, their approach throughout has been questionable. The vaccine rollout has been counterpointed by opening for Parliament’s summer holidays with warnings for people to behave themselves.

If it was me, I’d be talking to Public Health England about how we can reduce isolation of close contacts. One trial in the UK involves daily lateral flow tests, test negative in the morning and you can go about as usual for the day. 

Scientifically speaking, given where we are, I think we’d be daft to throw away testing, for understanding how it’s spreading and how prevalent it is. We simply don’t have the immunity in kids that the UK does, and we want to make sure we’re getting it right. 

But, the medical and social impact of those results is where we need some forward thinking. 

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18 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

I’m still convinced that the government here don’t want to let it run rampant yet.

The vaccines aren’t now being touted as a silver bullet, just look at the UK Gov already talking about restrictions for winter. Though, their approach throughout has been questionable. The vaccine rollout has been counterpointed by opening for Parliament’s summer holidays with warnings for people to behave themselves.

If it was me, I’d be talking to Public Health England about how we can reduce isolation of close contacts. One trial in the UK involves daily lateral flow tests, test negative in the morning and you can go about as usual for the day. 

Scientifically speaking, given where we are, I think we’d be daft to throw away testing, for understanding how it’s spreading and how prevalent it is. We simply don’t have the immunity in kids that the UK does, and we want to make sure we’re getting it right. 

But, the medical and social impact of those results is where we need some forward thinking. 

It’s running rampant. Only a fool would suggest it’s not out there & amongst us.

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9 hours ago, AlanShimmin said:

Ashford needs to stop worrying about NHS apps and look at the situation where healthy people are being denied the opportunity to earn a living. 

Businesses may be destroyed if they don't fix the current situation. Suggestions that you can apply for incapacity benefit in lieu of lost earnings are surely a sick joke. 

The qr code / travel bit of the app needs to be sorted because it's safer to holiday in many parts of Europe than it is in the UK.

Clearly it's better to holiday somewhere safer if possible.

 

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7 minutes ago, snowman said:

The qr code / travel bit of the app needs to be sorted because it's safer to holiday in many parts of Europe than it is in the UK.

Clearly it's better to holiday somewhere safer if possible.

 

Its fine. The Manx Care endorsed letter will have no problems being accepted at EU borders 😉

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57 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

It’s running rampant. Only a fool would suggest it’s not out there & amongst us.

Its clearly not running rampant. Although it will be spreading and that spread will gather pace over the next few weeks.

I think we knew that would happen. The infection rate will rise here as it is in the UK. We all knew that was going to happen but its living with it and accepting it that is what we need people to understand. Some people can't understand science, uncertainty and working in a grey area. They only see black and white.

Testing and tracing is no longer about elimination, its about controlling the rate of infection and will continue for some time yet as it does for many infectious diseases and its just normal practice. However the handing out willy nilly- default isolation instructions needs to stop otherwise we will all be in it before long. I think, belatedly, government realise this now

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14 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Its clearly not running rampant. Although it will be spreading and that spread will gather pace over the next few weeks.

I think we knew that would happen. The infection rate will rise here as it is in the UK. We all knew that was going to happen but its living with it and accepting it that is what we need people to understand. Some people can't understand science, uncertainty and working in a grey area. They only see black and white.

Testing and tracing is no longer about elimination, its about controlling the rate of infection and will continue for some time yet as it does for many infectious diseases and its just normal practice. However the handing out willy nilly- default isolation instructions needs to stop otherwise we will all be in it before long. I think, belatedly, government realise this now

What a lot of people fail to see is the lighter restrictions such as mask wearing/social distancing were never intended to stop all transmission, they were just intended to stem the rate of transmission, trouble is they don’t work unless everyone does it, it’s effectively casting a large net over a crowd some are still going to slip through the net.

As the UK releases their restrictions we will also see a vast increase in positives, amazingly we still have none in hospital/ICU which is somewhat surprising but good news.

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40 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

As the UK releases their restrictions we will also see a vast increase in positives, amazingly we still have none in hospital/ICU which is somewhat surprising but good news.

Doesn't surprise me.  Vaccine efficacy for preventing serious illness/death is very high.  In the UK winter wave overall deaths were about 2% of cases, admissions about 7%.  Divide those by 10, approximately, to get the effects of the vaccination programme.  With about 100 active cases, that's less than 1 expected admission.

We will get cases in hospital, probably, over the next week or two.  If case numbers reach 500 without an admission, then I'll be surprised.

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