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14 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

How can you safely assume it’s Delta? people would be off sick if it was Beta or Alpha too. Anyway that’s besides the point, the reason to monitor the variant is to record any possible sign of a mutation, something I don’t think is even of any concern, let alone being monitored.

 

Get ahead of the wave and start buying the Gamma variant hype. 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article

 

They've also got the Lambda on the bench  

 

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15 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

One thing, i think the numbers they are comparing to Europe are out by a factor of 7:

The current Isle of Man rate of infection per 100,000 is roughly 277. For context, in Europe, only Cyprus, Gibraltar, the UK, Netherlands and Spain are higher. 1

The number of cases in Europe are quoted in terms of per week (as far as I can tell), whereas the IOM is running at 277 per day while the UK is 755 per fortnight.

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/COVID-19.html#global-overview-tab

Really hoping I've got the wrong end of the stick somewhere.

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i think the uk is per fortnight not week...
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1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

That’s the charm of them. Got many a man and a woman into heartache. This time it’s in a grand scale. 

What amazes me, is made few off the cuff edgy comments, in finance be standard banter, and everyone gets annoyed and even got admin warning, but presented models which implied we are looking a significant avoidable acute illness in 2+2 High Risk group and no one bats an eye lid. 

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2 hours ago, wrighty said:

I've done a bit of a search and there don't seem to be records (at least that I can find) of more than two infections with Covid from proven different strains.  And that is rare.  Most of the early reports of having covid multiple times are actually multiple positive tests from the same infection, sometimes months later.  So called 'persistent shedders'.  And immunity from infection should last for several months, so being infected 4 times in the 16 months or so since this all kicked off is, how should I say it, unlikely.

So, we are to take DA's comments with a pinch of the proverbial?

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2 hours ago, CallMeCurious said:

CoMin "We don't need to even consult the experts. It's all about the economy now"

A few days later.  Hospital starts seeing more cases week one of 4th (or is it 5th wave) before further relaxation of rules

CoMin "Shit! How can we blame the experts when we've said we ignored them? Oh well, let's try it anyway, they (the public) won't notice"

No approval for debate of relaxation of rules

CoMin "Phew, we can at least blame the elected politicians for crippling the economy again"

No LFT kits available until next week.

CoMin "Phew, that'll stop the buggers going for tests and keep the numbers down. Remember if you don't test, they won't exist"

Inadequate planning and preperation for surge of testing needed, some members of the public frustrated by this.

CoMin "Blame the public for not being too aggressive/impatient"

Claim all the credit but deflect all blame.

 

  

 

 

 

 

We don't need a debate on relaxation of the rules.

We can't keep making knee jerk reactions every time we have a rise in cases. The show must go on. People can exert their own risk management in their own sphere of influence but we need to stop looking for more government intervention and start to use our own discretion if we are to move forwards now.   

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6 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

What amazes me, is made few off the cuff edgy comments, in finance be standard banter, and everyone gets annoyed and even got admin warning, but presented models which implied we are looking a significant avoidable acute illness in 2+2 High Risk group and no one bats an eye lid. 

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Random question, have you had a look at the gov.je website.  I think they might have an actual epidemiologist.

https://www.gov.je/Health/Coronavirus/pages/coronaviruscases.aspx

They have an R - currently 1.4-1.7

 

And per here 10 people in hospital.  Looking roughly, they seem to be a couple of weeks ahead.

https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2020-03-12/live-updates-number-of-coronavirus-cases-in-the-channel-islands

 

 

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Just when I thought I couldn't dislike the CM more.....

The Chief Minister Howard Quayle MHK said:

'Overnight, a number of members of Tynwald have approached ministers to request that the Government again brings forward the proposed changes to the Island’s COVID-19 regulations. The Council of Ministers has agreed to do so.

'I hope those members of Tynwald who were unsure, or who wanted to more fully consider the proposals, have had the time they need. The changes we are proposing broadly reflect a workshop with Tynwald members held on 8 July. 

'If Tynwald votes the same as yesterday, then I must be clear that the changes proposed will not be brought forward.'

 

So Tynwald members say they'd like advice from EAG before voting and HQ slags them off for doing so. EAG get 5 minutes notice to provide some advice on it before a meeting but don't get all the information. They say they'll issue a further more in-depth analysis by middle of next week and CM says vote for it today or I'll take my ball away. Ridiculous.

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16 minutes ago, iom_dave said:

One thing, i think the numbers they are comparing to Europe are out by a factor of 7:

The current Isle of Man rate of infection per 100,000 is roughly 277. For context, in Europe, only Cyprus, Gibraltar, the UK, Netherlands and Spain are higher. 1

The number of cases in Europe are quoted in terms of per week (as far as I can tell), whereas the IOM is running at 277 per day while the UK is 755 per fortnight.

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/COVID-19.html#global-overview-tab

Really hoping I've got the wrong end of the stick somewhere.

The way the EAG have used loose language is the issue here.

The standard figure, internationally, is normally, I think,  a 14 day average. But 7 day rates and other rates, are often and confusingly quoted. It’s an oranges, apples and pears thing.

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52 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

How can you safely assume it’s Delta? people would be off sick if it was Beta or Alpha too. Anyway that’s besides the point, the reason to monitor the variant is to record any possible sign of a mutation, something I don’t think is even of any concern, let alone being monitored.

That's not the only reason to monitor variants, different variants may have different symptoms for instance.  But we can be fairly sure that Delta is the dominant variant because of the situation in the UK.  This is from today's fortnightly VOC Report:

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10 minutes ago, Danoo said:

We don't need a debate on relaxation of the rules.

We can't keep making knee jerk reactions every time we have a rise in cases. The show must go on. People can exert their own risk management in their own sphere of influence but we need to stop looking for more government intervention and start to use our own discretion if we are to move forwards now.   

There hasn't been any knee jerk reaction to anything.

You've just got a proportion of people questioning the best way we can help that show to continue to go on.

The EAG's latest statement, around face coverings, health messaging and ventilation are all common sense measures, with minimal impact to daily life that will make a difference to the spread of the virus, as well as how safe people feel.

Pretending it's not a problem whilst it is ripping around, and we can't even manage to present accurate figures, doesn't instill confidence.

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20 minutes ago, Danoo said:

We don't need a debate on relaxation of the rules.

We can't keep making knee jerk reactions every time we have a rise in cases. The show must go on. People can exert their own risk management in their own sphere of influence but we need to stop looking for more government intervention and start to use our own discretion if we are to move forwards now.   

I’m with you. It’s taken me till now but fuck it, it’s gone too far, we are actually just having to get through it. I’m putting my trust in humanity and not the government. You’re so right. Personal responsibility. Let the government compensate the worse affected and apart from that day nothing unless it’s really really important  

The devicivness has to stop tho. I’m not on social media but I can well imagine how it is over there. 

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15 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

There hasn't been any knee jerk reaction to anything.

You've just got a proportion of people questioning the best way we can help that show to continue to go on.

The EAG's latest statement, around face coverings, health messaging and ventilation are all common sense measures, with minimal impact to daily life that will make a difference to the spread of the virus, as well as how safe people feel.

Pretending it's not a problem whilst it is ripping around, and we can't even manage to present accurate figures, doesn't instill confidence.

There wasn't anything in the EAG's statement that a reasonably intelligent person can't work out for themselves. It was just an exercise in waving their hands around and expelling a lot of hot air over nothing.

Do we need a government to repeat what they have said umpteen times over the past 18 months. If you want to wear a mask wear one. If you feel vulnerable avoid enclosed crowded spaces. Engage your own brain. Do your own risk management.

We don't need the nanny state to continually tell you how to live your life. Although some on the island have got so used to government sticking it's nose where it's not needed or wanted they feel anxious when they're left to their own devices. 

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33 minutes ago, Manx Yeller said:

Just when I thought I couldn't dislike the CM more.....

The Chief Minister Howard Quayle MHK said:

'Overnight, a number of members of Tynwald have approached ministers to request that the Government again brings forward the proposed changes to the Island’s COVID-19 regulations. The Council of Ministers has agreed to do so.

'I hope those members of Tynwald who were unsure, or who wanted to more fully consider the proposals, have had the time they need. The changes we are proposing broadly reflect a workshop with Tynwald members held on 8 July. 

'If Tynwald votes the same as yesterday, then I must be clear that the changes proposed will not be brought forward.'

 

So Tynwald members say they'd like advice from EAG before voting and HQ slags them off for doing so. EAG get 5 minutes notice to provide some advice on it before a meeting but don't get all the information. They say they'll issue a further more in-depth analysis by middle of next week and CM says vote for it today or I'll take my ball away. Ridiculous.

Have they voted on the changed? It will be interesting to see how was coerced into changing their vote

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