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11 minutes ago, Strife said:

Has official contact tracing by 111 been completely sacked off then? And if it has was that part of the ‘living with it’ master plan or as a reaction to an out of control situation that saw a poorly resourced 111 service quickly overwhelmed? If the later it doesn’t fill me with much confidence that we are relying on anything but luck and hope that the vaccinations will in fact do a good enough job of stopping the hospital coming under pressure.

I have heard that there is no longer any tracking or tracing going on.

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19 minutes ago, Cambon said:

I have been searching for a podcast. Ashford (I think it was) said it on the radio on Friday morning about 10:00 am news time, I think, but it may have been Mannin line. 

You know that Ashford saying something, immediately makes it the opposite of true right?

If that is your source, then it is a proper schoolboy error and you should know better.

Back of the class.  Right 1000 lines for the benefit off you’re education. Then watch them get shredded 

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3 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Oh.  Look at that.  False info being posted to try and make it sound worse than it really is.

I knew it was rubbish and when asked for a fact check was ignored and laughed at.

Anyway.  Government have fixed it for good now.

Edit.  Bit quoted is correct. Cambons post was wrong.  My conversation with a close relative (who is actually quite cross that their family member is being included in the figures) was ignored.

Ashford said in the Thursday press conference that they had all been admitted due to COVID.

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25 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I have heard that there is no longer any tracking or tracing going on.

Thank God for that. How to disrupt and ruin a fragile island economy with one bonkers policy making people isolate, often unnecessarily.

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1 minute ago, Danoo said:

Thank God for that. How to disrupt and ruin a fragile island economy with one bonkers policy making people isolate, often unnecessarily.

Agreed.  It was chit chat, but I have not received a call about being a close contact of someone who has tested positive. 

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25 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I have heard that there is no longer any tracking or tracing going on.

Yes because of this:

25 minutes ago, Gladys said:

as a reaction to an out of control situation that saw a poorly resourced 111 service quickly overwhelmed

Overwhelmed because they were all new.

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3 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Are none of you vaccinated? Because any of you being jabbed reduces that risk significantly.

Plenty of people in very close quarters with positive cases and not getting in.

We all vaccinated, and think everyone I know in meat world is. From ONS data, it reduces risk hospitalisation by ~20 times, i.e. someone with 1% risk pre-vax hospitalization (1 in 100), post 2+2 it 0.05% (1 in 2,000), not zero but not something to really be concerned about. But if you are say Blood Cancer patient with pre-vax risk of 40% hospitalization, then after 2+2 you still talking 2% (1 in 50) and it up to the person, to decide, however someone at these sorts of odds with prevalence of COVID in community we have, should (in my view) be informed. At least UK PH thinks so:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

 

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inform ---> informed (that was it I promise)
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Just now, Gladys said:

Agreed.  It was chit chat, but I have not received a call about being a close contact of someone who has tested positive. 

I know someone who was on the track and trace team but has been stood down. That's not to say the whole department has been scrapped or numbers greatly reduced but there is definitely a scaling back of some description.

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26 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

We are not relying on “luck and hope that the vaccinations will in fact do a good enough job of stopping the hospital coming under pressure”

The hospital is always under pressure.

I’m aware of that. I’m referring to the governments oft repeated statement that the only reason for lockdowns, restrictions etc is to protect the hospital from being over run.

If the government are relying on both scientific and anecdotal evidence that the strategy of letting it rip through the community will turn out just fine I would have hoped they would have prepared for it, ie had the stocks of lateral flow tests, upped the swabbing capacity, upped the resources of the 111 team. 
 

I’m not a ‘bed wetter’ who’s hiding in a cave and I’m not saying this strategy is not going to work. I just don’t believe the government intended to stop contact tracing at this point, to rely on later flow testing and the honesty and responsibility of the community that comes with that. These are reactive policy changes forced on them by the situation and that doesn’t fill me with confidence. 

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11 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Ashford said in the Thursday press conference that they had all been admitted due to COVID.

Thursday was really quite a few days ago now you know.  People have been sent home and new ones admitted since.

I don’t know for certain about Thursday but before then, and since there are people In Nobles who would have been there regardless of a positive test.

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13 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Agreed.  It was chit chat, but I have not received a call about being a close contact of someone who has tested positive. 

I don't think track and trace really matters anymore. I'd you are 2+2 you don't have to isolate anyway unless you develope symptoms and test positive. The problem is the number of unvaccinated young people who are isolating and therefore not able to work, and the very young who are keeping parents off work. It is really affecting the economy. 

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21 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Agreed.  It was chit chat, but I have not received a call about being a close contact of someone who has tested positive. 

I'd say it's been binned, there's 3 people I work with who have tested positive in the last week and nobody has received any calls as a close contact 

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10 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Thursday was really quite a few days ago now you know.  People have been sent home and new ones admitted since.

I don’t know for certain about Thursday but before then, and since there are people In Nobles who would have been there regardless of a positive test.

So, just looking at hospitalisation figures, on Thursday's snapshot there were 5. On Friday's snapshot, 6, an increase of 1, as the dashboard handily highlights. This figure fell back to 5 today, per the dashboard.

So, unless they're all getting better very quickly, we can extrapolate that it could well be the very same people.

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