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53 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well it may be dodgy, but it's the only dashboard we have.

But the Manx Radio explanation is complete rubbish.  It doesn't matter how many times it has been updated in a period, the figures should still match up with each other.   

The 'Investigated Cases' is a rolling total and the increase in it over any period (no matter how many updates there have been) should be the same as the increase in Active cases (after allowing for 'recoveries').  And it usually is.

But this increase must logically also be the same as the number of 'New cases' .  And it consistently has been wildly different over the last two weeks.  With the 'new cases' being a lot less except in the last couple of days.  And of course it's this imaginary number of new cases which the media look at.

What I find shocking about this isn't just that this is obviously wrong, it that it should be obviously so to any politician, journalist or Manx Care/DHSC worker who looks at them.  It's basic common sense, not higher mathematics.  Why isn't there more fuss about this or has everyone else just given up on expecting any sense out of Ashford and his minions?

I wonder if this is an issue with the inputters not being conversant with the intricacies of the dashboard?  It is nonetheless embarrassing that the numbers are not tallying.  Ashford, as Minister, should really be asking questions a s to why the only public facing dashboard is so riddled with nonsensical maths. 

On a separate, although linked note, I found this report rather illuminating as to the mindset and mis placed penny pinching attitude, that underpins the whole approach to the pandemic.  COMIN's circumspect attitude often leads to more problems and eventually more expenditure, an illustration of which is the LFT that both Quayle and Ashford have attempted to put a positive spin on- something they hoped would be a piecemeal offering and somewhat inconsequential - they misjudged the mood of the GMP, not for the first time.

Lab only funded for 200 PCR tests per day - Manx Radio

'Clinical advice' prompts change in LFT recommendations - Manx Radio

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9 minutes ago, Hmmmm said:

I wonder if this is an issue with the inputters not being conversant with the intricacies of the dashboard?  It is nonetheless embarrassing that the numbers are not tallying.  Ashford, as Minister, should really be asking questions a s to why the only public facing dashboard is so riddled with nonsensical maths. 

On a separate, although linked note, I found this report rather illuminating as to the mindset and mis placed penny pinching attitude, that underpins the whole approach to the pandemic.  COMIN's circumspect attitude often leads to more problems and eventually more expenditure, an illustration of which is the LFT that both Quayle and Ashford have attempted to put a positive spin on- something they hoped would be a piecemeal offering and somewhat inconsequential - they misjudged the mood of the GMP, not for the first time.

Lab only funded for 200 PCR tests per day - Manx Radio

There is a very simple explanation for the errors.

A) They could not give a sh1t

B) They are not the smartest of people in the islands CS

C) Repeat

It really is embarrassing this amount of incompetence and we wonder why the prom takes so long............

 

P.S. There are no "intricacies" in the dashboard, its a simple Microsoft APP.

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So apparently 100,000 tests have been delivered to the island but these were single tests, not seven test kits as given out for free in the UK (I just picked up the below in Liverpool). With seven tests being given to every person they’ve already run out again? Can anyone confirm? 
 

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9 minutes ago, Hmmmm said:

I wonder if this is an issue with the inputters not being conversant with the intricacies of the dashboard?  It is nonetheless embarrassing that the numbers are not tallying.  Ashford, as Minister, should really be asking questions a s to why the only public facing dashboard is so riddled with nonsensical maths. 

It is a very very simple powerbi dashboard.  The people entering the data need not have the slightest idea how it works.

In fact no one should be entering any data specific for the dashboard.  It should just be puling existing date through simple queries- but there are probably 15 sets of data all individually input and cross checked by 10 different civil servants.

It is so simple it is comical.

 

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17 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

So apparently 100,000 tests have been delivered to the island but these were single tests, not seven test kits as given out for free in the UK (I just picked up the below in Liverpool). With seven tests being given to every person they’ve already run out again? Can anyone confirm? 
 

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That is 100% the kind of LIE our government puts out, they are totally shameless. (They made it known there were 400K kits due)

And YES they have run out again at my chemist at lunchtime today, sure its the same all over if only 100K got delivered not the 400K KITS they said were due.

I would not mind a sporting bet that the gov have paid for 400K "items" expecting 7 unit kits but have only got single straws but have paid the going rate for 7 unit items.

That kind of mistake happens so often on the island you would cry if you knew the truth.

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39 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

So apparently 100,000 tests have been delivered to the island but these were single tests, not seven test kits as given out for free in the UK (I just picked up the below in Liverpool). With seven tests being given to every person they’ve already run out again? Can anyone confirm? 
 

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I had family in UK post me a few boxes of these from UK. Are we not using these same NHS packs?

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37 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

It is a very very simple powerbi dashboard.  The people entering the data need not have the slightest idea how it works.

In fact no one should be entering any data specific for the dashboard.  It should just be puling existing date through simple queries- but there are probably 15 sets of data all individually input and cross checked by 10 different civil servants.

It is so simple it is comical.

 

I suspect a lot of this has to do with them fiddling with the underlying spreadsheet column names and data. They are constantly changing the definitions.

52 minutes ago, Hmmmm said:

It is nonetheless embarrassing that the numbers are not tallying.  Ashford, as Minister

These dashboards fall under Cabinet Office (Covid Response Team) the Minister is Quayle.

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24 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

I had family in UK post me a few boxes of these from UK. Are we not using these same NHS packs?

I posted it on Twitter and some local tweeps were saying they didn’t get these kits in IOM but instead received seven individual kits from the local pharmacy. Hence me wanting to confirm and see if someone here had the same experience? I picked these NHS kits up just out of interest at a boots in Liverpool city centre. No queues and plenty of stock. They give you one per person with seven tests in it and explain how to use them. Seems quite well organised. 

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Lets get some tourists over and treat them like crap

From a friend on her holidays!!

Today’s adventure so far.... Caught the no.1 bus to Douglas - bought the £18 hopper bus/train travel ticket heading for Port Erin..🚌 - got off the bus at the terminal was planning to catch the steam train 🚂.... then we realised the bus was going to Port Erin so got back onto the no.1 bus 🚍🚌😂... 😂
Hopped off the bus at Port Erin train station in the pouring rain... Booking Office Closed Tuesday 😢🤦‍♀️. No Steam Trains either until Thursday!
We hopped back onto the no.1 bus 🚌 and the driver said ‘you can’t use the ticket again it’s a used ride so you’ll have to pay again 😠👀... I said “seriously” he was serious and so was I!!😠👀😠.  I reminded him that it was a hopper ticket to use any bus on the island any time... allegedly...  so after a few more exchanged words he said “if the ticket scans again you can travel... if not...”?
So right enough the ticket scanned again so we’re still on the same No.1 bus now heading back to Douglas to head to Peel😂😂😂😂🤦‍♀️🚌🚌🚌😂😂😂. Hopefully away from the rain... 
We’ve swapped seats three times around the bus..... 
It’s only dawned on us that the first driver who sold us the bus/train travel ticket should have known that there are no trains Tues & Weds.... I guess that’s a phone call to IOM travel co..... 
All in All a bus tour so far.... looking forward to Peel for some nice lunch and a sip of squash or something pleasing 🚌👀🍹🍹🍹😎😂

Good to see our friends at Isle of Man Transport being so helpful to our tourists.”

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2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well it may be dodgy, but it's the only dashboard we have.

But the Manx Radio explanation is complete rubbish.  It doesn't matter how many times it has been updated in a period, the figures should still match up with each other.   

The 'Investigated Cases' is a rolling total and the increase in it over any period (no matter how many updates there have been) should be the same as the increase in Active cases (after allowing for 'recoveries').  And it usually is.

But this increase must logically also be the same as the number of 'New cases' .  And it consistently has been wildly different over the last two weeks.  With the 'new cases' being a lot less except in the last couple of days.  And of course it's this imaginary number of new cases which the media look at.

What I find shocking about this isn't just that this is obviously wrong, it that it should be obviously so to any politician, journalist or Manx Care/DHSC worker who looks at them.  It's basic common sense, not higher mathematics.  Why isn't there more fuss about this or has everyone else just given up on expecting any sense out of Ashford and his minions?

I think apart from a hardcore few nobody really cares anymore hence why no fuss

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31 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

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Lets get some tourists over and treat them like crap

From a friend on her holidays!!

Today’s adventure so far.... Caught the no.1 bus to Douglas - bought the £18 hopper bus/train travel ticket heading for Port Erin..🚌 - got off the bus at the terminal was planning to catch the steam train 🚂.... then we realised the bus was going to Port Erin so got back onto the no.1 bus 🚍🚌😂... 😂
Hopped off the bus at Port Erin train station in the pouring rain... Booking Office Closed Tuesday 😢🤦‍♀️. No Steam Trains either until Thursday!
We hopped back onto the no.1 bus 🚌 and the driver said ‘you can’t use the ticket again it’s a used ride so you’ll have to pay again 😠👀... I said “seriously” he was serious and so was I!!😠👀😠.  I reminded him that it was a hopper ticket to use any bus on the island any time... allegedly...  so after a few more exchanged words he said “if the ticket scans again you can travel... if not...”?
So right enough the ticket scanned again so we’re still on the same No.1 bus now heading back to Douglas to head to Peel😂😂😂😂🤦‍♀️🚌🚌🚌😂😂😂. Hopefully away from the rain... 
We’ve swapped seats three times around the bus..... 
It’s only dawned on us that the first driver who sold us the bus/train travel ticket should have known that there are no trains Tues & Weds.... I guess that’s a phone call to IOM travel co..... 
All in All a bus tour so far.... looking forward to Peel for some nice lunch and a sip of squash or something pleasing 🚌👀🍹🍹🍹😎😂

Good to see our friends at Isle of Man Transport being so helpful to our tourists.”

I understood very little of that. Where were your friends going to? Seems a very confused itinerary. Did they not have a printed timetable or internet access to check out the times of the trains/ buses to Port Erin, Douglas and Peel. 
Don’t blame IOM transport they have made all the relevant information publicly available. 

But the bus driver seems a bit of an idiot


Hope your friends had a nice lunch in Peel.

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28 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I understood very little of that. Where were your friends going to? Seems a very confused itinerary. Did they not have a printed timetable or internet access to check out the times of the trains/ buses to Port Erin, Douglas and Peel. 
Don’t blame IOM transport they have made all the relevant information publicly available. 

But the bus driver seems a bit of an idiot


Hope your friends had a nice lunch in Peel.

They aren’t my friends.  No idea who they are.  Just copied it from FB (like I said in the post)

The general Message was that why would anyone attracted here in the school Holidays and by the open ish borders expect some of our main “attractions” to be closed.

The place is a joke, but at least it is busy

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56 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

I think apart from a hardcore few nobody really cares anymore hence why no fuss

I really don’t understand the need for people to forensically examine the numbers. I never have even at the height of it. Now their addiction is being withdrawn some seem to be genuinely suffering withdrawal symptoms. 

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https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/six-residential-homes-closed-due-to-covid-spread/

 

6 homes closed to admissions and visitors. So no one can be transferred out of hospital. So that takes up bed space on Medicall wards (usually). So that a means surgery and ortho beds have to be used to accommodate medical patients overspill. PPU stays shut because David says it has to (so Manx Care cannot use it) So elective surgery cancelled. Surgical patients have to stay on lists. People stay in pain. More analgesic medication needed. Contact GP for more prescriptions. GPs overwhelmed. Merry - go - round care.

Plates keep spinning. 

Simples..Tch !

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27 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

They aren’t my friends.  No idea who they are.  Just copied it from FB (like I said in the post)

The general Message was that why would anyone attracted here in the school Holidays and by the open ish borders expect some of our main “attractions” to be closed.

The place is a joke, but at least it is busy

OK apologies that these people weren’t your friends. You could contact them on Facebook and ask them to be your friends if you were so inclined.

But given the times we live in it would be a big assumption by these folk that everything is here as everywhere is as it was a couple of years ago. But the bus, Steam train and MER timetables ,as far as I know are not made up. Probably says more about people on Facebook.

I don’t think the place is a joke. I’ve lived here for many decades and have never felt the need to laugh at it. Like all places it has its idiosyncrasies, part of its charm I guess.

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