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1 hour ago, snowman said:

He says he's covid free and then goes on to say he's still here and fighting for his life 

No he doesn't. He says he is deemed to be Covid free. Big difference. Also, the information about being vaccinated, apart from being confidential medical information, might be inaccurate or about not being able to be vaccinated. 

The two sad deaths really seemed to have wound everyone up on here, particularly those who still think this is all over.

It isn't and the impact will be with us for a very long time from here on in. Not scaremongering - just fact. 

Time to think globally and not just about our own backyard maybe. Meanwhile have to get on with it as best we can. No-one is safe until everyone is safe.

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11 minutes ago, NoTail said:

The reality is that there are very few reasons not to vaccinate. On the Island probably no more than a few hundred medically advised not to vaccinate. 

And of course anti vaxxers see conspiracies in everything. Perhaps like claiming that government is fudging the numbers here?

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There should be two COVID wards.

The one they are using now should be for people who were vaccinated when offered or who are not qualifying for a vaccine or able to have it for a legitimate reason.  This ward should be fully staffed.

There should be another for people who CHOSE not to be vaccinated, staffed purely by other anti vaxxers on a voluntary basis and located near to the hospital.  Maybe down at Tels or somewhere.

These idiots should be given one last chance to come forward.  Sickens me that normal people’s lives could have further restrictions imposed on them at some point or people could miss out on vital care because idiots end up clogging up the hospital.

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57 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Fortunately for us, we have a guy on the inside. I’m sure @wrightycan put some more meat on the bones in regards this “hell” that Peel Tommy refers to …….

However, the big question should be - do we believe a patient currently fighting for his life or a surgeon at the thick end of it (who Ashy might have got at).

I've not been got at, why would I have been?  The noise I generally hear from the top brass about my MF activities is 'keep doing what you're doing'.  I like to think my posts are generally factual, honest and balanced.  I'm happy to be critical of government if criticism is deserved, but certainly don't just go off on a rant about how everything they do is rubbish, because it isn't.

As far as I can tell the ward is not full - I haven't been on it personally, but according to the hospital bed state there are several empty beds.  I doubt the accuracy of the chap in the 3FM report saying the person in the next bed to him was on a ventilator - possibly CPAP or NIV, but what most of us think of as 'ventilated' is on ITU with a tube down your throat.  That wouldn't be done on a regular ward.

The government is not lying about the stats.  It's irrelevant whether the odd patient drops off the end of the list because his test was more than 10 days ago - that's just a dashboard figure and the only way of doing it without trying to count all 1000+ cases manually - he'll still be being treated as a covid patient, with all the support he needs, whether he's been vaccinated or not.  The health service does not discriminate on grounds of race, gender, religion, having made poor life choices, BMI etc.

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7 minutes ago, Apple said:

Time to think globally and not just about our own backyard maybe. Meanwhile have to get on with it as best we can. No-one is safe until everyone is safe.

Exactly.  Never, so no point stressing about it to much.

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The issue, as I view the matter, is whether the Government is being open and frank with the numbers it is stating are in hospital that are covid related.  If this guy is correct then they are somewhat mis leading.

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1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said:

I know plenty of people who work at the hospital who say it’s all fine.  So who do you believe?

Personally I am going to go with the friends and relatives I have known and trusted for 30-40 plus years.

When they start talking about nightmare days at work and a hospital that is struggling I will believe them.

Another harsh but real point.  If people want to know the vaccine status of those in nobles, what about asking the average BMI and age as well?

Quite. I don’t believe the nurses would lie about a ”cover up”. 

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2 minutes ago, Hmmmm said:

The issue, as I view the matter, is whether the Government is being open and frank with the numbers it is stating are in hospital that are covid related.  If this guy is correct then they are somewhat mis leading.

As if they would lie and run the huge risk of it coming out.

The criteria are very clearly communicated to everyone

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28 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

They would surely still test on admission rather than presuming recovery

I don’t actually know what the criteria is for testing on admission, If you know someone has tested Covid positive say 14 days it wouldn’t be worth testing them again, but if someone is admitted with breathing difficulties you’d suspect Covid and test? I know they were testing for routine ops, but they aren’t going to test someone rushed in through A&E until they’ve been patched up?

 

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7 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

And of course anti vaxxers see conspiracies in everything. Perhaps like claiming that government is fudging the numbers here?

Not necessarily just anti vaxxers.  I don't believe the government are capable of handling and communicating accurate information. They always have their own agenda, which seems to change a lot.

The hospital is not being overrun. What does seem to be happening though is reflected by comments  on here -that communications, planning and explanations of what is going on and why doesn't seem to be happening. 

Apparently now the so many more Directors and their Deputies and Executives and more managers than ever it all gets a bit confusing when you are being bombarded with emails from them. 

Managing by email never works.

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3 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said:

Think about what exactly?

For example - the WHO are calling yesterday that instead of vaccinating younger people or boosters that some of these vaccines be directed to poorer countries like Africa where some have not even had their first jabs.

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2 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

He's one of the Living Hope lot. Believed god, not the vaccine, would keep him safe.

He'll now say this this was a test of his faith.

Meanwhile the church leaders got vaccinated and he's still gullible enough to give them 10% of what he earns.

Credible source? No!

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32 minutes ago, Apple said:

For example - the WHO are calling yesterday that instead of vaccinating younger people or boosters that some of these vaccines be directed to poorer countries like Africa where some have not even had their first jabs.

If the vaccines are needed here then they're going to be used here. 

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1 minute ago, AlanShimmin said:

If the vaccines are needed here then they're going to be used here. 

Then a lot of people will die at the expense of saving others not at significant risk. 

And:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/island-charities-may-be-close-to-the-edge-after-covid-19/

This is not good news for those who believe that our statutory services need to include and be propped up by volunteer and charity groups. 

I have kept up my donations but to be honest maybe I ned to reconsider that in my own best interest now.

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