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7 hours ago, Cambon said:

So, you park at the top of M&S, put on your already used mask before leaving your car. You adjust your mask several times before pushing open the door. You adjust that pesky mask one more time before pressing the button for the lift. Once inside, you press for the ground floor. The door takes ages, so you press the close door button several times whilst coughing into your hand. 

I am not even going to continue. This is so pathetic. Masks do nothing! 

Wow. You've lost the plot

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14 minutes ago, Gladys said:

How difficult is it for the very low numbers involved here in all things Covid-related to be accurately reported? 

They have to make sure of the facts, so that idiots don't go "ah but did they die with or from" as if it's some kind of gotcha thing and that they know what they're even talking about 

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2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

They have to make sure of the facts, so that idiots don't go "ah but did they die with or from" as if it's some kind of gotcha thing and that they know what they're even talking about 

Isn't that simply dealt with by counting the deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate? 

The continual inaccuracies in the numbers isn't reassuring at all.  The numbers involved in hospitalisations etc. are low and could be captured with a pen and paper if the IT systems can't cope. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Gladys said:

How difficult is it for the very low numbers involved here in all things Covid-related to be accurately reported? 

Didn't they essentially say the ones omitted from the dashboard were (potentially) deaths where covid wasn't the main cause? eg run over by a cyclist within 28 days of testing positive for Covid. 

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6 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Isn't that simply dealt with by counting the deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate? 

The continual inaccuracies in the numbers isn't reassuring at all.  The numbers involved in hospitalisations etc. are low and could be captured with a pen and paper if the IT systems can't cope. 

 

Have the figures ever been accurate? 18 months in? I don't think so, even for that exact second when Assford says SNAPSHOT. 

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11 hours ago, Cambon said:

Sorry, but it is a double ended sword. The vaccine reduces your likelihood of catching it and reduces your likelihood of transmitting it to the tunebof 70%. 

Those are two separate things of course and need to be looked at separately as well as jointly.  Before Delta came along vaccination seems to have reduced the chance of getting infected by about 60% (it varied a bit with vaccine) and of transmitting it once you had caught it by about 60% as well (because of lower viral load).   Combined those reduced the chance of catching Covid and passing it on to about a sixth - though even then not enough to provide great security.

Delta seems to have reduced both those percentages quite substantially (see the links in the Nature article I linked to before).  There's probably still a bit of an effect, but not enough to make much difference,  The advantage of vaccination remains, as it has always been, the reduction in serious illness, hospitalisation and deaths.  But it's not a magic shield that protects you from everything Covid-related.

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2 hours ago, AlanShimmin said:

Didn't they essentially say the ones omitted from the dashboard were (potentially) deaths where covid wasn't the main cause? eg run over by a cyclist within 28 days of testing positive for Covid. 

No it's the opposite - and in any case the Isle of Man never used that 28 day rule.  These are the figures derived from the death certificates and a doctor isn't going to put Covid down on that just because someone had recently tested positive.

It doesn't breakdown to  whether it was the main cause or not, but we know from England and Wales figures that where Covid is mentioned it's the main cause in 80-90% of cases and of course even in the remainder the person wouldn't have died from the underlying cause if they hadn't also happened to catch Covid.

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They're introducing vaccine passports in Scotland from 1st October. One of them is for sporting events if there is 10,000 or more people so a crowd of 9,999 is all good but stick 1 more person in there they all have to be vaccinated. Negative tests will not be accepted so potentially you could be unvaxed and have proof you don't have covid and get refused entry but you could be vaxxed have covid and be allowed in with this passport. 

It's crazy. 

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1 hour ago, thommo2010 said:

They're introducing vaccine passports in Scotland from 1st October. One of them is for sporting events if there is 10,000 or more people so a crowd of 9,999 is all good but stick 1 more person in there they all have to be vaccinated. Negative tests will not be accepted so potentially you could be unvaxed and have proof you don't have covid and get refused entry but you could be vaxxed have covid and be allowed in with this passport. 

It's crazy. 

Which begs the question, why are they really so desperate to introduce these things? 

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26 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Which begs the question, why are they really so desperate to introduce these things? 

Little Jimmy said this morning that with passports it is hoped to get through the winter without damaging the economy further. However, it really does not add up. 

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