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This looks more in line with what I would expect to happen than the doom and gloom and need for further restrictions.

To some extent, and tied in with boosters etc I really believe just letting it run is the best option right now (which is good, because that is pretty much what we are doing)

https://bbc.in/3GgZDdT?fbclid=IwAR2ZEzvMbcGMtBJPrc2-XG_X11xKDGitL_iKD97sM_nImmQ6iT7odzoaL2g

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3 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

A NZ Dr called Kerruish, surely there’s some connection that’s spiked his interest in a comparison with the IOM? 

He works here and is Manx, as you suspect.  Spent a fair bit of time over there though before coming back here a few years ago.

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16 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

To some extent, and tied in with boosters etc I really believe just letting it run is the best option right now (which is good, because that is pretty much what we are doing)

https://bbc.in/3GgZDdT?fbclid=IwAR2ZEzvMbcGMtBJPrc2-XG_X11xKDGitL_iKD97sM_nImmQ6iT7odzoaL2g

I've thought that (with common sense mitigations such as mask up if you're ill, LFT if you're ill etc ) since July when we were mainly all vaxxed.  Which is pretty much what we've done.

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You've got to wonder what is going on in the minds of those gagging for the government to enforce restrictions on them. It's like they've learnt absolutely nothing from the pandemic. NPI's can be useful when you are in a situation where exponential growth can occur, but we're not, it's now pretty much impossible. You won't find many of them talking about things like that though, more good news they just ignore while making up stats about long covid and demanding we protect our children from a disease that doesn't (on the whole) affect them. 

We're in an absurd world where a bunch of people are stuck in April 2020, and they're going to force us backwards.

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1 hour ago, wrighty said:

I've thought that (with common sense mitigations such as mask up if you're ill, LFT if you're ill etc ) since July when we were mainly all vaxxed.  Which is pretty much what we've done.

Which is is why it should be more of the same please. No reason to change anything. 

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What you seen unable to grasp Dan, is that that is fine for the moment.

No-one knows what is coming. No-one. Another strain perhaps, a strain that does not respond to the current vaccines. That is what these viruses do - survive at any cost. We must do the same. We can’t just pretend that it’s all over, no matter how much we want it to be. We can hope that it is - but truly - no one knows. 

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29 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

What you seen unable to grasp Dan, is that that is fine for the moment.

No-one knows what is coming. No-one. Another strain perhaps, a strain that does not respond to the current vaccines. That is what these viruses do - survive at any cost. We must do the same. We can’t just pretend that it’s all over, no matter how much we want it to be. We can hope that it is - but truly - no one knows. 

You are correct, but, on island, Covid has been implied in just under 60 deaths. So on average around 30 a year, so far. Each year 800-1000 people die over here. Dozens have died from cancer not detected in time. Dozens from heart issues that may have been preventable. And yet we cower to this disease which is now burning itself out. 

If the government truly want to end this, they should start charging for LFTs, and drop the landing permit rubbish, which is preventing people from coming here. However, keep up the boosters.  People will stop using the LFTs and interest in Covid will disappear. 

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10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

This is untrue, completely untrue. 

How so? 50% of the World has been vaccinated. The vaccine seems effective against all variants so far. ioM is 75% vaccinated, with around 10% having had a positive result as well. Those getting ill from Covid now are not getting seriously ill. People are not dropping dead like flies. 

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45 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

What you seen unable to grasp Dan, is that that is fine for the moment.

No-one knows what is coming. No-one. Another strain perhaps, a strain that does not respond to the current vaccines. That is what these viruses do - survive at any cost. We must do the same. We can’t just pretend that it’s all over, no matter how much we want it to be. We can hope that it is - but truly - no one knows. 

Viruses do not survive at any cost. The last thing they want to do is kill every host they infect, that is why they get less virulent over time as the environment adapts and so do they, to find an equilibrium. They may become more contagious and register more positive test results but that doesn't mean more dangerous.

What we must not do however is throw the baby out with the bathwater and live in a 'COVID only' existence again. Untold damage has been caused over the past 18 months across the island mentally, financially, emotionally, socially as well as countless more deaths stored up for the future in missed appointments etc... 

It's no use saying 'no-one knows'. Of course no-one knows the future, but we do know what the past 18 months were like and no-one wants to go back down that road again.  

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4 minutes ago, Cambon said:

How so? 50% of the World has been vaccinated. The vaccine seems effective against all variants so far. ioM is 75% vaccinated, with around 10% having had a positive result as well. Those getting ill from Covid now are not getting seriously ill. People are not dropping dead like flies. 

The virus is 'not burning itself out'. Humans have dumped a load of vaccine induced immunity into the population. There is a significant difference. The virus, in the course of its mutations has adapated to humans, we adapt back.

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46 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Viruses do not survive at any cost. The last thing they want to do is kill every host they infect, that is why they get less virulent over time as the environment adapts and so do they, to find an equilibrium. They may become more contagious and register more positive test results but that doesn't mean more dangerous.

What we must not do however is throw the baby out with the bathwater and live in a 'COVID only' existence again. Untold damage has been caused over the past 18 months across the island mentally, financially, emotionally, socially as well as countless more deaths stored up for the future in missed appointments etc... 

It's no use saying 'no-one knows'. Of course no-one knows the future, but we do know what the past 18 months were like and no-one wants to go back down that road again.  

Viruses don't have brains and do not make tactical decisions about their futures. They don't have wants and needs. They don't find equilibrium. They don't decide not to kill their hosts.

Their success is purely random based upon genetic mutation and rapid evolution.

The effect is the same though. You are correct there. Survival of the fittest. Those variants that succeed, prosper  and ongoing variants get better adapted. So it goes on.

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54 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Viruses do not survive at any cost. The last thing they want to do is kill every host they infect, that is why they get less virulent over time as the environment adapts and so do they, to find an equilibrium. They may become more contagious and register more positive test results but that doesn't mean more dangerous.

What we must not do however is throw the baby out with the bathwater and live in a 'COVID only' existence again. Untold damage has been caused over the past 18 months across the island mentally, financially, emotionally, socially as well as countless more deaths stored up for the future in missed appointments etc... 

It's no use saying 'no-one knows'. Of course no-one knows the future, but we do know what the past 18 months were like and no-one wants to go back down that road again.  

This is complete nonsense.

 In real life, I don’t waste my time talking to closed doors and here is no exception. 

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