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4 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Viruses don't have brains and do not make tactical decisions about their futures. They don't have wants and needs. They don't find equilibrium. They don't decide not to kill their hosts.

Their success is purely random based upon genetic mutation and rapid evolution.

The effect is the same though. You are correct there. Survival of the fittest. Those variants that succeed, prosper  and ongoing variants get better adapted. So it goes on.

Correct. Viruses are inert. They don't have the means to make intelligent decisions however there success is anything but random. It's based on the rapidly changing environment and nature will always seek to find an equilibrium. 

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16 hours ago, Cambon said:

How so? 50% of the World has been vaccinated. The vaccine seems effective against all variants so far. ioM is 75% vaccinated, with around 10% having had a positive result as well. Those getting ill from Covid now are not getting seriously ill. People are not dropping dead like flies. 

Where have you seen stats which show 50% of the world has been vaccinated? 

"The World Health Organization (WHO) had set a target of 10% of the population of all countries to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by the end of September. However, more than 50 countries failed to reach that level of protection.

The WHO is now pushing for 40% to be vaccinated by the end of the year and more than 70% by mid-2022."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56237778 (published yesterday) 

The world isn't anywhere near 50% vaccinated - not even close. 

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52 minutes ago, Zarley said:

 

The world isn't anywhere near 50% vaccinated - not even close. 

maybe not,  but out of all those who are not vaccinated how many do you think actually travel anywhere  and more importantly want to come here ?

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17 minutes ago, WTF said:

maybe not,  but out of all those who are not vaccinated how many do you think actually travel anywhere  and more importantly want to come here ?

Many from these countries may not come here directly, but people who travel to those countries do come here and certainly to our neighbours in the UK.

It's important that globally most people get vaccinated because of worldwide travel, whether or not the poor in any given country are doing the travel themselves. 

IMO it's also important to call out misinformation, such as 50% of the world's population allegedly being vaxxed when it's clearly untrue and pulled from one's nether regions. 

 

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14 hours ago, Happier diner said:

That's a better explanation. 

It's still a bit off though. Nature makes no attempts to find an equilibrium. The only thing that stops a virus that kills quickly from becoming the dominant strain is that the people it kills can't pass it on, but that doesn't preclude Covid from becoming much more lethal than it currently is and still spreading well. Is it likely? Probably (hopefully) not. Possible? Certainly. Possibility goes up when more people are infected too, as there's a larger quantity of genetic material out there.

Not that I'm suggesting any restrictions on the back of that, but to imply that Covid can't get more dangerous is incorrect. The vast majority of mutations make viruses less viable and less lethal, mind.

It's probably not a bad idea to wear a mask (of your own volition before the freedom warriors get upset) and not kiss strangers though.

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11 minutes ago, HeliX said:

It's still a bit off though. Nature makes no attempts to find an equilibrium. The only thing that stops a virus that kills quickly from becoming the dominant strain is that the people it kills can't pass it on, but that doesn't preclude Covid from becoming much more lethal than it currently is and still spreading well. Is it likely? Probably (hopefully) not. Possible? Certainly. Possibility goes up when more people are infected too, as there's a larger quantity of genetic material out there.

Not that I'm suggesting any restrictions on the back of that, but to imply that Covid can't get more dangerous is incorrect. The vast majority of mutations make viruses less viable and less lethal, mind.

It's probably not a bad idea to wear a mask (of your own volition before the freedom warriors get upset) and not kiss strangers though.

Of course nature finds an equilibrium, that's entirely the point of nature. We are all a part of of the same ecosystem and when immunity throughout society reaches a level which benefits the whole we reach a state of relative homeostasis. 

Can people still die from Covid? Of course they can. Society is riddled with sick people already who don't need much to tip them over the edge. People have been getting progressively sicker the past 18 months through the various lockdown measures and the flu season won't help these people. Does that mean the virus is getting more virulent? Not necessarily. 

 

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2 hours ago, Zarley said:

Where have you seen stats which show 50% of the world has been vaccinated? 

"The World Health Organization (WHO) had set a target of 10% of the population of all countries to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by the end of September. However, more than 50 countries failed to reach that level of protection.

The WHO is now pushing for 40% to be vaccinated by the end of the year and more than 70% by mid-2022."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56237778 (published yesterday) 

The world isn't anywhere near 50% vaccinated - not even close. 

“The world” for most brits is Europe, North America, Australia and anew Zealand.

They have a habit of forgetting that the vast majority of the worlds population don’t live in any of those places.

I can’t vouch for the total accuracy of this but it is thought provoking.  Bizarrely the teens and younger in our immediate family accepted it and the oldies said “rubbish, that can’t be true”

Its from 2016

 

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4 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Of course nature finds an equilibrium, that's entirely the point of nature. We are all a part of of the same ecosystem and when immunity throughout society reaches a level which benefits the whole we reach a state of relative homeostasis. 

Over a long term yes, over a short term no. And as mentioned, it's a byproduct not an intention.

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12 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

There is an argument that isolations, social distancing, masks etc slow down the process.

Perhaps, but they also limit the amount of sars-cov-2 genetic material in circulation, which lessens the likelihood of a troubling mutation. On balance I don't think there's a great argument either way in support/detraction of lockdowns from a viral mutation POV.

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10 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

There is an argument that isolations, social distancing, masks etc slow down the process.

Which they absolutely do. That isn't even up for debate. What is up for discussion though is whether we should be doing that or not, for a variety of reasons.  

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2 hours ago, Danoo said:

Which they absolutely do. That isn't even up for debate. What is up for discussion though is whether we should be doing that or not, for a variety of reasons.  

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

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13 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

Lickdown will be much more interesting than lockdown. 

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15 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

I don't know about that.

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