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4 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

You seem to be the one doing the screaming to be honest. I have offered a rational view which you clearly disagree with. As I have said the UK government knows there is zero appetite for further lockdowns and they won’t be able to enforce them anyway. They are also now over two trillion in debt following a pandemic response which has wrecked parts of the economy. If you think the public will go back to standing in their gardens clapping like goons for a government and a system that has badly let them down again you are sorely misguided I’m afraid. 

Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission.

Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre.

Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit.

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5 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

It very much does. There is no public appetite for further restrictions or lockdowns and Government knows that. They won’t happen as the public has had enough and the economy can’t take another hit either and if the vaccination process hasn’t worked then we’re all screwed anyway. They’re now pushing booster vaccine jabs. If three jabs for the vulnerable don’t make them safe then most sane sensible people will work out that it’s all a waste of time and just crack on. Another UK lockdown simply will not happen. If the NHS can’t cope without locking people up inside their own homes again then basically the NHS is the problem.

There is huge money to be made in making the NHS look like the problem. You can suddenly start pulling apart the allegedly 'broken' system to be broken up and sold off.

Narratives sell, especially in this day and age.

The history of the Conservative party trying to move towards privatised healthcare exists.

https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2021/september/new-health-bill-is-a-smokescreen-for-more-nhs-privatisation-warns-unite/

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If the bill becomes law, it would allow for so-called for Alternative Provider Medical Services (APMS) to cherry pick services and undermine current working practices. APMS contracts are not in the interests of either the public or health care professionals.

Unite is emailing its members to write their MPs urging them to vote against the bill dubbed  as a ‘Trojan Horse’ for profit-hungry private healthcare companies.

Jackie Williams added: “APMS contracts have been described by legal professionals as ‘the private sector's gateway to providing primary health care to NHS patients’. They allow companies that are not owned or controlled by medical professionals to run GP surgeries. 

“This bill is deeply flawed and creates pathways for health systems that are based on models developed by the private insurance industry in the USA and elsewhere, with profit as the key priority. Such an approach would undermine the universal and patient-driven service that we have all cherished since the NHS’ formation in 1948.

 

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24 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission.

Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre.

Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit.

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Correct, apart from the Brexit bit. Brexit is going to take time.

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39 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Can we point out that economically, the UK was one of the hardest hit, because they bungled the response so badly during most of 2020? They even had enough uncontrolled spread to foster the Kent variant early this year. It was only the Delta variant from India that took them off top spot for transmission.

Repeatedly, the UK government ignored scientific advice for a couple of weeks, flirting with restrictions in the papers, until public opinion swayed enough to support them, and the feeling that Boris had 'tried his damndest to hold those draconian restrictions off' had passed. It was all theatre.

Though, to speak conspiratorially, COVID is a nice cover story for the mess that is Brexit.

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So how did the US, largely under Trump, do so comparatively well?

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29 minutes ago, wrighty said:

So how did the US, largely under Trump, do so comparatively well?

They didn't - even now their death rate (2268/million) is even worse than the UK's (2041/million) - and that's despite the head-start on vaccines.  Their death rate is about four times that of the most comparable country - Canada.

Edited to add - now realise you were just meaning economically.  Basically pouring money into the economy, especially effective when to the less well off.

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8 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

There is huge money to be made in making the NHS look like the problem. You can suddenly start pulling apart the allegedly 'broken' system to be broken up and sold off.

Narratives sell, especially in this day and age.

Oh yes it’s all just a conspiracy to privatize the UK health system. That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. 

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2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Oh yes it’s all just a conspiracy to privatize the UK health system. That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. 

The Tories desperately want to privatise the NHS. If you don't realise that you haven't been paying attention. 

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8 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:
 
They poured money into the problem. About 2 and a half trillion dollars of it.
 

 

Pouring obscene amounts of money into something hardly makes it work better. See the NHS as an example.

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38 minutes ago, Zarley said:

The Tories desperately want to privatise the NHS. If you don't realise that you haven't been paying attention. 

Suggesting that the UKs poor covid response is some sort of ploy to sell the NHS is literally a conspiracy theory. Given some of the disdain the poster seems to have for other peoples opinions on pandemic issues then it’s worthy of pointing out that suggesting the UK government has allowed over 140,000 people to die and shut down half of the UK just to soften up a sale is laughable to be honest. 

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45 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Oh yes it’s all just a conspiracy to privatize the UK health system. That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. 

To be fair he/she has a point. It has been an aim of the Tories for a long time to change the health service model.

I don't necessarily disagree with it in principle, but as ever in these type of situations crony capitalism will be the winner and not an efficient use of the free market to drive up standards and drive down costs, which is exactly what it needs.

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18 minutes ago, Danoo said:

To be fair he/she has a point. It has been an aim of the Tories for a long time to change the health service model.

That’s entirely separate to suggesting that the failed UK covid response is all part of a grand murderous plan to soften the NHS up for sale, 

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51 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Pouring obscene amounts of money into something hardly makes it work better. See the NHS as an example.

You’re right, it doesn’t, but what it does do, is make it look as though it’s working better. And sadly, that’s the bottom line. 

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19 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

I see them on social media but never in real life.

Who are these people who wants masks, restrictions on Gatherings etc?

Mostly people who want to WFH / have a quiet retirement at everyone else's expense.  Perhaps they can all club together (one or more of them are in receipt of at least one generous pension) and buy an outer Hebridean island.    They can all move there and pull up the drawbridge.     

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