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4 minutes ago, Danoo said:

Of course nature finds an equilibrium, that's entirely the point of nature. We are all a part of of the same ecosystem and when immunity throughout society reaches a level which benefits the whole we reach a state of relative homeostasis. 

Over a long term yes, over a short term no. And as mentioned, it's a byproduct not an intention.

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12 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

There is an argument that isolations, social distancing, masks etc slow down the process.

Perhaps, but they also limit the amount of sars-cov-2 genetic material in circulation, which lessens the likelihood of a troubling mutation. On balance I don't think there's a great argument either way in support/detraction of lockdowns from a viral mutation POV.

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10 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

There is an argument that isolations, social distancing, masks etc slow down the process.

Which they absolutely do. That isn't even up for debate. What is up for discussion though is whether we should be doing that or not, for a variety of reasons.  

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2 hours ago, Danoo said:

Which they absolutely do. That isn't even up for debate. What is up for discussion though is whether we should be doing that or not, for a variety of reasons.  

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

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13 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

Lickdown will be much more interesting than lockdown. 

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15 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What they do is defer, not slow.  That seems to be what we are seeing, lockdowns just defer the infection until things are opened up.  When we opened up, it has ripped through the population, thankfully with fewer severe cases or deaths than if we hadn't, but transmission picks up again as people mix. 

With vax and the natural immunity gained from catching it, there is no logical reason why lickdown should be entertained again. 

I don't know about that.

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I have no idea why we are still persisting with these silly border controls now if it is rampant throughout the community. Have we created another army of jobs now for the public purse such that it can't be tamed? 

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5 hours ago, Zarley said:

Where have you seen stats which show 50% of the world has been vaccinated? 

"The World Health Organization (WHO) had set a target of 10% of the population of all countries to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by the end of September. However, more than 50 countries failed to reach that level of protection.

The WHO is now pushing for 40% to be vaccinated by the end of the year and more than 70% by mid-2022."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56237778 (published yesterday) 

The world isn't anywhere near 50% vaccinated - not even close. 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

here. 

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4 hours ago, Zarley said:

IMO it's also important to call out misinformation, such as 50% of the world's population allegedly being vaxxed when it's clearly untrue and pulled from one's nether regions. 

It actually seems pretty accurate.  Our World in Data gives 49% for example.  You're forgetting that some of the most populous countries such as China, India and the US have vaccination percentages above that.  Of the most populous nations only Nigeria seems really low. 

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7 hours ago, Zarley said:

Where have you seen stats which show 50% of the world has been vaccinated? 

"The World Health Organization (WHO) had set a target of 10% of the population of all countries to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 by the end of September. However, more than 50 countries failed to reach that level of protection.

The WHO is now pushing for 40% to be vaccinated by the end of the year and more than 70% by mid-2022."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56237778 (published yesterday) 

The world isn't anywhere near 50% vaccinated - not even close. 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Here. 

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5 hours ago, Danoo said:

I have no idea why we are still persisting with these silly border controls now if it is rampant throughout the community. Have we created another army of jobs now for the public purse such that it can't be tamed? 

Allow travel from any region that has fewer cases/100k than us. Sorted.

(Or just any region in general, I don't think it's making a real difference at this point)

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7 hours ago, Danoo said:

I have no idea why we are still persisting with these silly border controls now if it is rampant throughout the community. Have we created another army of jobs now for the public purse such that it can't be tamed? 

It’s a control thing and governments like that . I think sadly that passenger locator forms are here to stay. Daft thing is you can put any old address in as no one checks. That is how stupid governments and their idiot rules are. That Grant Shapps nut has to be the next sacked I hope. Shortly followed by Boris who really is a numpty of the highest order. I don’t mind rules , but they have to be logical , sensible ( and enforceable ).

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22 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

“The world” for most brits is Europe, North America, Australia and anew Zealand.

They have a habit of forgetting that the vast majority of the worlds population don’t live in any of those places.

I can’t vouch for the total accuracy of this but it is thought provoking.  Bizarrely the teens and younger in our immediate family accepted it and the oldies said “rubbish, that can’t be true”

Its from 2016

 

That's a really good use of 2.28 minutes of your time.

Thanks.

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