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10 minutes ago, quilp said:

I'm not condoning or condemning here, see it for what it was, the tactics of the so-called "fear-factory" was discussed earlier in this thread. Swift compliance was the order of the day. That time when we knew less. 

I’m not either, I’m saying it should certainly be the subject of an inquiry so that its effectiveness can be analysed independently. Personally I don’t believe that the success of public compliance is down to how many people we threw in jail or otherwise treated appallingly. Which I’m guessing comin also accepted in the end. There’s one or two real life Colonel Kurtz’ lurking behind the scenes somewhere who totally lost it for a few months. 

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45 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Only last week was I on a teams chat with people in the UK laughing at us for what went on last year and the fact that they STILL can’t send their staff here to do work.

One of them had been planning to relocate  here before COVID kicked off with his family.  Now due to the way we treated him and his staff he isn’t and won’t even take any more clients on if they are here.  Once our contract expires he won’t allow me to renew it.

That could be because you are not telling it like it is.

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49 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

Only last week was I on a teams chat with people in the UK laughing at us for what went on last year and the fact that they STILL can’t send their staff here to do work.

One of them had been planning to relocate  here before COVID kicked off with his family.  Now due to the way we treated him and his staff he isn’t and won’t even take any more clients on if they are here.  Once our contract expires he won’t allow me to renew it.

Every cloud. He sounds a right dick. 

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1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said:

Cousins still can’t come to see other cousins for example or even to their weddings.

They can if they're vaccinated. There's a simple enough solution right there.

 

1 hour ago, quilp said:

And I'd pose that more of the population were behind this policy than not, in the beginning.

We all stayed at home and did our bit, like we were told to, even though it was awful. I really wanted to sit in my mate's garden with a beer, but I didn't, I stayed at home. Therefore I have zero issue with the Courts throwing the book at those who chose to take the piss out of the rest of us. 

The only people I feel sorry for were the existing prisoners in Jurby, stuck on a 23-hour lockdown because some numbnuts thought they were far too important to follow the rules.

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1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said:

... I don’t believe that the success of public compliance is down to how many people we threw in jail or otherwise treated appallingly...

Neither do I, but the threat of incarceration was all part of the show, that this government meant business, a firm hand was on the tiller and woe-betide those who transgressed. The prospect of jail was, imo, also directed at a certain section of society; the chancers, deniers and misfits, maybe; those who 'won't be told' and as we've seen by the numbers put away, there were many who wilfully broke the law as it stood back then. Some of the people who eventually ended up in Jurby had been warned a couple of times prior to them having to be arrested, giving little heed to what was required. One can probably assume that many more people were 'let off' with just a warning, given a chance with the emphasis being the gravity of what we potentially faced. 

The actions taken may seem to some as severe in hindsight but what did we know at the beginning? Fuck all, that's what, and as AcousticallyChallenged pointed out, a time when no vaccine was in sight. Every media broadcast carried a sense of immediacy and quiet desperation, and the plea to comply, constant. The population were put on trust. So effective was the fear instilled that we now have many people suffering the collateral effects of the campaign. The "doom-coven" as they're described. That's to be expected and they should be given the benefit of their doubt rather than harangued. It's attention-seeking hot-heads driving the paranoia who need to be taken to task, those who, without social media know they and their opinions would be insignificant. Given time, and the way things seem to be progressing, their existential fears of the overly-cautious will likely diminish. By next summer? 

What else can be done? 

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10 hours ago, quilp said:

Neither do I, but the threat of incarceration was all part of the show, that this government meant business, a firm hand was on the tiller and woe-betide those who transgressed. The prospect of jail was, imo, also directed at a certain section of society; the chancers, deniers and misfits, maybe; those who 'won't be told' and as we've seen by the numbers put away, there were many who wilfully broke the law as it stood back then. Some of the people who eventually ended up in Jurby had been warned a couple of times prior to them having to be arrested, giving little heed to what was required. One can probably assume that many more people were 'let off' with just a warning, given a chance with the emphasis being the gravity of what we potentially faced. 

The actions taken may seem to some as severe in hindsight but what did we know at the beginning? Fuck all, that's what, and as AcousticallyChallenged pointed out, a time when no vaccine was in sight. Every media broadcast carried a sense of immediacy and quiet desperation, and the plea to comply, constant. The population were put on trust. So effective was the fear instilled that we now have many people suffering the collateral effects of the campaign. The "doom-coven" as they're described. That's to be expected and they should be given the benefit of their doubt rather than harangued. It's attention-seeking hot-heads driving the paranoia who need to be taken to task, those who, without social media know they and their opinions would be insignificant. Given time, and the way things seem to be progressing, their existential fears of the overly-cautious will likely diminish. By next summer? 

What else can be done? 

What happened to the most wilful law breaker of them all, the one who advertised his event online and still cracked on with it despite being warned not to?

I have no issue with laws being enforced as long as their is consistency and clear benefit to those rules being in place.

There is no obvious reason for stopping un unjabbed people coming over, and their is no consistency in sending people to prison for stopping for petrol but letting the swimming look just get forgotten about.

These are the things that make us look stupid.  Implement sensible laws and enforce them, or don’t bother.  It really is that simple.

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9 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

What happened to the most wilful law breaker of them all, the one who advertised his event online and still cracked on with it despite being warned not to?

That's a very good question. There was supposed to be a trial in August, that was the last mention in the media. Presumably he'd be crowing everywhere if the prosecution had been withdrawn?

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2 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Disregarding last years figures and just comparing 2019 to 2021 what is this all about?

Post COVID issues?

Lack of health care in 2020?

People sitting on their arses getting fat and depressed in lockdown?

Vaccines?

Or probably a mix of the above.  Either way it’s not good.

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It looks as if it's just that there's a long period where they simply haven't got anything like all the data and so figures are meaningless.  Note that this starts in September 2019, so it can't be Covid-related.  The fact it picks up again in March/April this year might suggest Manx care are being more organised or it might be a coincidence.

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6 hours ago, Ramseyboi said:

Disregarding last years figures and just comparing 2019 to 2021 what is this all about?

Post COVID issues?

Lack of health care in 2020?

People sitting on their arses getting fat and depressed in lockdown?

Vaccines?

Or probably a mix of the above.  Either way it’s not good.

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COVID can increase your risk of stroke, we also have a steadily aging population.

Lots of older folks noticed the difference in their mobility from being in lockdown too. It's no surprise it'd take a toll.

Lack of routine appointments through most of 2020 won't have helped either, waiting lists and referral times have skyrocketed. Things that would've been picked up sooner might not've been if people can't get to a GP for love nor money.

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5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

It looks as if it's just that there's a long period where they simply haven't got anything like all the data and so figures are meaningless.  Note that this starts in September 2019, so it can't be Covid-related.  The fact it picks up again in March/April this year might suggest Manx care are being more organised or it might be a coincidence.

Agreed.  This will be a counting/timing issue rather than a massive increase in numbers in 2021.  Possibly inconsistent coding too.  And as ever with FOI requests, the question is not asked well, leading to answers which could be open to interpretation.

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